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| Jorge Stolfi's voynich pages back online |
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Posted by: Jorge_Stolfi - 04-06-2025, 06:31 AM - Forum: News
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Hi, it has been brought to my attention that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from 1999--2004 were not available, Bog knows since when. Sorry, it was just a broken symbolic link in my messy website. They should be all back again.
All the best, --jorge
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| Decoding the Voynich Manuscript |
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Posted by: amilppc@gmail.com - 04-06-2025, 01:37 AM - Forum: The Slop Bucket
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Hi everyone,
I would like to share the results of a recent research project on the Voynich Manuscript that we have been developing for several months.
The core idea was to approach the manuscript as a **structurally encoded text** — not an artificial language, but a Latin-based text using an alchemical-ritual lexicon and grammar.
Here is what we found:
✅ The manuscript follows **Latin SVO grammar**
✅ The "unknown terms" match known **alchemical and ritual terms** from 15th century sources
✅ We constructed a **complete decoding key** and **glossary** covering \~95% of the manuscript
✅ Structural match is particularly strong with the corpus of the *Schola secreta sapientiae* (Florence, 15th c., Abraham ben Simeon school)
The full research article is now available on my website:
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The article includes:
✅ Detailed methodology
✅ Full transliteration table
✅ Grammatical model
✅ Glossary with sources
✅ Appendices with references
✅ Example translations from the manuscript
I hope this work can contribute to ongoing discussions and further research — and I would very much welcome feedback from the community here!
Thank you)))
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| [split] Retracer Thread: darker ink, retracing of text and drawings |
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Posted by: Bernd - 03-06-2025, 10:11 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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(03-06-2025, 04:47 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.many years later another person (the "Retracer") went through the manuscript, retracing many faded glyphs and figure details in a distinctive very dark ink. He may have been the same who retraced some lines of page f67r2 with red ink. But this Retracer also added some fancy details that apparently were not in the original (such as the crowns and multi-lobed "shower caps" on some of the Zodiac nymphs, e.g. the outer one at 05:30 on Scorpio). Is there any way to establish how much later this could have happened?
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| Months names are all one off? |
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Posted by: Jorge_Stolfi - 28-05-2025, 03:54 AM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy
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Currently each sign of the Zodiac starts around the 20th of one month and ends around the 20th of the next month. I suppose that these dates were chosen so that the solstices and equinoxes fall on sign boundaries. Is that correct?
So the VMS Zodiac is already strange in that the month name written under each sign's icon is only 2/3 correct. Thus for instance Sagittarius is labeled "December", but 10 days of that sign are in November. So the correct label should have been "November-December".
However, I have run into two sources that state that "in the Middle Ages" each sign started on the 1st of the month, instead of on the 20th. Unfortunately those articles did not say when the sync with the equinoxes took place. If the switch happened after the VMS was written, all those written month names are one month off. namely, the label under Sagittarius should have been "November", not "December". And ditto for all other months
Anyway, it seems that the VMS month names were written after the Zodiac sync.
Thoughts?
All the best, --stolfi
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| The Canary islands |
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Posted by: Cile cile - 27-05-2025, 09:33 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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Hello everyone, the Voynich manuscript is a very interesting work and, as I can see on the forum, it intrigues many people to explore different areas of knowledge.
As somebody who's gotten into analysing it fairly recently compared to a lot of people, I used my simple logic to try to find data that matches the information in VM. I know that the similarities I've noticed could just be coincidental, but hopefully what I say can give some a different approach.
In my humble opinion, the manuscript has some connections with the Canary islands. I think that it was written by someone who wanted to note down the unusual plants (as islands do have them since they are isolated), the religion of the Guanches people, their myths, and the use of real life celestial bodies as a seasonal calendar (relating to meteor showers).
And I think that it could possibly explain the rare alphabet used, especially considering the history of the languages present in the area in the past.
I've been looking into this for a while now, there are a few more interesting connections I haven't mentioned, but I want to hear if maybe this was already debunked in the past.
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| Just an idea I have had for long |
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Posted by: Scarecrow - 27-05-2025, 08:38 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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This idea has been in my mind for year or so but I am not clever enough to understand nor prove if this could be something that could work.
I have always thought that the glyphs mean more than letters but not gettin nowhere.
Thinking:
Voynich word are about 4 glyphs long, quite short to convey semantic information.
There must be an expansion method, glyphs must pack more semantic punch in them.
Also, in labels the glyphs can stand alone which also could indicate that they are more than bigram-trigram expansions, but whole words.
Idea:
Could Stolfi's core-mantle-crust model, combined with slot system, provide any clue?
Latin is SOV (Subject-Object-Verb), SVO, VSO and poetical mode (OSV,OVS and VOS) structured language, very flexible.
Both Rosam puella amat,Amat puella rosam are acceptable.
Note to reader, I do not know Latin much.
Most deciphrement proposals do not produce grammatically sound language.
If we assume that VMS is based on Latin language, the words and glyph combinations must convey grammatical information, diacritics.
Coming to core-mantle-crust. If core or core+mantle combinations could indicate word and mantle the diacritic how to read the word.
Rosa, rosae, rosam, etc. all from same core+different mantles
Something like Core = semantic content (1-2 glyphs), Crust = semantic modifiers (1-2 glyphs), Mantle = grammatical markers (1-2 glyphs)
Do not take these fixed that core is and mantle is, they can be interchanged. The idea is that we have three components to codify word+grammar, and Stofi's idea has three components.
Then come the slots, if the latin word then depends also on the slot, so even same core+mantle could mean different word in different positions.
There could be then four codebooks:
Book 1: Core meanings for slot positions 1-3
Book 2: Core meanings for slot positions 4-6
Book 3: Core meanings for slot positions 7-9
Book 4: Mantle diacritics and grammar rules
A bit besides the point, but this could possibly give reason for the Currer a and Currer b differences but I haven't given this much of a thought really.
But the idea in my head is that if VMS was made in two different locations, A location and B location, they could have had also two different sets of codebooks
Possible?
Core combinations:
8 basic cores
With crust combinations: ~8 × 10-15 possible crust patterns = 80-120 core+crust stems
Across 8 slot positions: 80-120 × 8 = 640-960 distinct semantic meanings
To write botanical text just from hat:
Plant names: 20-50 words needed
Plant parts: 50-100 (root, leaf, flower, bark, etc.)
Properties: 100-150 (hot, cold, dry, moist, sweet, bitter, etc.)
Actions/effects: 100-150 (heals, causes, prevents, strengthens, etc.)
Medical terms: 100-200
Common words: 200-300 (and, of, with, for, against, etc.)
In my mind this system could plausibly generate grammatical Latin with sufficient vocabulary for botanical description. Enough words could be generated, the grammatical encoding could be enough to handle Latin's complexity.
Yes, there are still things that need explanation, like how we could distinguish words like malum (apple) and malum (evil), how gender would be conveyed, tense (if present at all).
And yes, it would be quite hard system to learn, but just as an idea that I have had in my mind for long and as I do not have the brain capacity to develop this further, so I hope someone here can say the final word for it.
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