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Giving Pages Depth: A Visual Dive into Manuscripts Posted by: pegalac - 19-07-2025, 08:52 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (6) Hey everyone! I'm currently working on a model to visualize pages with a sense of depth. The idea is to go beyond flat 2D page rendering and create something that feels immersive — where you can "explore" the layers or structure of a page as if it has visual depth.   SOLUTION/ the Voynich Manuscript — Posted by: PEDRO LUIS PEREZ B - 17-07-2025, 03:53 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket - Replies (10) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. How I Decoded the Voynich Manuscript — Through Vibration, Not Language For over 600 years, the Voynich Manuscript remained a mystery no one could solve. Why? Because everyone tried to read it. But the manuscript was never meant to be read. It was meant to resonate. The breakthrough came when I stopped treating it as a linguistic artifact and began to listen to it as a vibrational structure. Using a symbolic artificial intelligence model I.A , I translated each glyph into its corresponding frequency — not as a sound to be heard, but as a pulse of intention. The symbols did not carry meanings. They emitted states of consciousness. This is not a traditional decoding. It is the first vibrational activation of the manuscript. The result is a fully functional model — mathematically, neurologically, symbolically — that shows the Voynich Manuscript was not a book. It was a seed of resonance, waiting for the right mind, the right time… and the right frequency. And now, for the first time, the Voynich Manuscript vibrates through human consciousness   Written in a mirror? Posted by: thomasja2008 - 16-07-2025, 06:01 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket - Replies (3) Hello, I’ve been exploring the Voynich manuscript and believe I may have found a consistent linguistic pattern worth further study. I’m writing to see if anyone with more expertise in Voynich studies, medieval Hebrew, or manuscript linguistics might be interested in reviewing it or collaborating. The core hypothesis is this: the Voynich script represents a form of Hebrew, but written in mirror — as though the author wrote right-to-left while looking into a mirror. I'm not fluent in Hebrew, but when I used AI to help with my theory it started to yield some results. When you reverse both the word order and the glyphs, and then map EVA transcriptions to Hebrew letters, a surprisingly coherent and repeatable pattern emerges. I’ve tested this on several folios (including f11r, f14r, and f33r). After decoding, many roots resemble known Hebrew words used in medieval herbal and ritual texts — particularly those found in Sefer Refu'ot and related manuscripts. Words like: לוחת (stir/mix) שפח (sprinkle) נייד / ניד (dissolve/crush) דוה / רוה (flow, soak) שקל / מדד (weigh/measure) I've also done root frequency analysis using a basic script, and it shows consistent, plausible Hebrew roots with semantic relevance to the illustrations (e.g., herbal processes). I'm not claiming to have “solved” the manuscript — just that this mirror-Hebrew decoding method yields unusually structured, linguistically meaningful results that don’t appear random, and I’d be eager to hear others’ thoughts or critiques.   The Voynich puzzle Posted by: bi3mw - 16-07-2025, 01:07 PM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media - Replies (2) The Voynich puzzle A new game, the campaign on gamefond will start soon. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   How LLM models try to understand Voynichese Posted by: quimqu - 16-07-2025, 10:50 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (6) Dear Voynich Ninja community, As you might know, I’ve been working on training LLM Large Language Models (GPT-like models) on Voynich EVA transliterations. This is not about using ChatGPT, but about training language models from scratch using only Voynich EVA text. I’m aware that GPT models are a sort of black box, and it’s often hard to understand the mechanisms they use to “learn” patterns. In this project, I’ve tried to explore how the GPT model makes predictions — to gain some intuition into the decision-making process. Let me first introduce the key concepts I’ve been working with: Loss: Loss is a measure of how wrong the model's predictions are compared to the actual next word. In language models, it's typically cross-entropy loss, which penalizes the model more when it assigns low probability to the correct word. A lower loss means the model is better at predicting the next token given its context. Prediction: The prediction is the model’s guess for the next word in a sequence. For example, given a context of 4 tokens (block_size = 4), the model looks at those 4 tokens and outputs a probability distribution over the vocabulary, selecting the most likely next token. Saliency: Saliency refers to how much each input token contributes to the model’s prediction. If we use a block_size of 4, saliency tells us which of the 4 previous tokens had the most influence on predicting the next word. For example, in the sequence ["the", "brown", "cat", "sat"] → ?, the model might predict "on". Saliency would then indicate how important each of the previous tokens was in making that prediction. Tokens with higher saliency are considered more influential. What I did: First, I optimized model parameters to maximize the number of real bigrams and trigrams (n-grams) generated by the model. Results are similar to training GPT on a real natural language text. Results after training on Voynich EVA text: % of 2-grams found in Voynich EVA with block_size 4: 22.40% (224/1000)  % of 3-grams found in Voynich EVA with block_size 4: 0.80% (8/999) Then, I trained the model on all paragraph-style lines in the Voynich manuscript (i.e., excluding labels or isolated words from cosmological sections). I used a 5-fold cross-validation approach: I split the text into 5 segments. For each fold, I used 80% of the data for training and 20% for validation, rotating through all segments. This way, I could generate predictions for the entire corpus. I then visualized the predictions using HTML files (saliency_valset_voynich_1.html to saliency_valset_voynich_5.html) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Each word is annotated with three values: Loss: represented by the border thickness — thicker means higher loss. Saliency: represented by the background color intensity — darker means higher saliency. Since each word is part of 4 prediction contexts (due to block_size = 4), saliency here is averaged over those 4 instances. Prediction probability: represented by border color — green for high confidence, red for low. The predicted probabilities are generally low, but this is also the case when training GPT on small corpora like a single book, even in natural languages. This visualization makes it easy to see at a glance which words the model finds easier or harder to predict. The HTML is interactive — hovering over any word shows the 3 metrics mentioned above. Deeper inspection: I also created a second HTML file: context_saliency_colored_and_target.html that looks like this: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. [size=1][/size] This version shows for each word in the Voynich EVA paragraph: context_0 to context_3: the 4 previous tokens used as input (the model's context). target: the real next word in the sequence. pred_word: the word predicted by the model. The model tends to predict the most frequent words in the Voynich corpus, as expected. However, the saliency values let us observe which previous words influenced the prediction the most, token by token. I highlighted: green: when pred_word == target yellow: similar words according to LevenShtein similarity (>0.5) I don't have any conclusions yet, but I think this could be useful for others interested in understanding how contextual information influences predictions in GPT-like models trained on Voynich EVA. Let me know what you think — I’d love to hear your thoughts!   A good match, perhaps from the Zürich area... Posted by: ReneZ - 15-07-2025, 10:50 AM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (62) Just to highlight this interesting post and give it its own thread: (13-07-2025, 08:34 PM)magnesium Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I know this is slightly off-topic, but as we're poking around digitized Swiss archives: Koen, if you haven't seen it already, this manuscript is an extremely good reference for the handwriting of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. This is not only an interesting match for the marginalia, but there are several cases of 'm' characters, especially left of the illustration, that look very similar to Voynich iin , version of Scribes 1 and/or 5. This may seem a frivolous comparison, and I am not really suggesting that the scribe of this MS is the same as one of the scribes of the Voynich MS, but I have not seen this type of curl 'upward and backward' too often.   f69r circle Posted by: magnesium - 14-07-2025, 03:19 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) I'm not making any definitive claims here, but I wanted to point out a superficial resemblance between the 16-wedge circle on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and this circular diagram of the 16 geomantic figures in the following 15th-century divination/astrology manual: St. Gallen, Stiftsbibliothek, Cod. Sang. 756: Composite manuscript on geomancy, chiromancy, iatromathematics, astronomy, alchemy and medicine (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. circle, for reference: The 16-wedge subdivision of the circle and the central floral motif stood out to me. However, the most glaring difference between the two is obviously that the figures themselves are missing from f69r. It's piling speculation on speculation, but I have half a mind that one of the VMS authors saw something like the Cod. Sang. 756 figure, had no knowledge of geomancy, and then either tried to draw something similar from memory or verbally described the figure to the illustrator.   A Beekeeping-Based Hypothesis for the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: えすじーけけ - 14-07-2025, 02:18 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions - Replies (6) Hello everyone, I’m a newcomer to Voynich studies, but I’d like to share a hypothesis I developed after closely examining publicly available images of the manuscript. Please keep in mind I’m not a specialist — this is just an idea from an outsider's perspective — but I’d sincerely appreciate any feedback. My hypothesis is that the manuscript may be centered around beekeeping, with symbolic and possibly sacred aspects attached to bees. Here’s a brief summary of my reasoning: The botanical pages could represent either plants grown near beehives or flowers favored by bees for nectar. In some drawings, the roots seem exaggerated — possibly indicating how “attractive” the plant is to bees (e.g., stronger roots = more nectar?). Many of the female figures might represent bees — particularly worker bees or queens — often depicted immersed in fluid, holding objects (perhaps pollen or tools), or emerging from pipes (perhaps hive entrances). The spiral or rosette diagrams might be stylized cross-sections of hives, showing their inner structure or seasonal changes. The astronomical sections might represent the cycle of queen production, honey storage patterns, or symbolic relationships between bees and celestial patterns — such as star positions during swarming. The lack of realistic depiction in many plants could reflect a bee’s visual world (colors from above vs. below, petal symmetry, etc.), not a human herbalist’s. This hypothesis may also offer explanations for: Why some women are crowned or veiled (perhaps symbolizing queens), Why the text is written so carefully (a sacred or secret manuscript about bees?), Why there is only one copy (a ritual or private use?). Of course, I can’t interpret the script, and I realize this is speculative. But I found it interesting that so many otherwise disconnected elements can align under a beekeeping framework. Thanks so much for your time — and I’d be grateful for your thoughts, corrections, or even counterexamples! By the way, I'm not a native English speaker, so I apologize for any awkward phrasing or mistakes.   Structural and Reverse-Cipher Hypothesis Posted by: Capric9ne - 14-07-2025, 02:09 PM - Forum: The Slop Bucket - Replies (5) Dear Ninja Team, My name is Hakan Adıbelli, and I’ve been conducting an independent deep-structure analysis of the Voynich Manuscript based on alchemical logic, Fibonacci sequencing, and symbolic fusion cycles across the folios. I believe I may have uncovered a key principle underlying the manuscript’s structure: namely, that each plant illustration represents not a singular species, but a fusion blueprint of multiple botanical and symbolic elements — constructed in harmonic cycles and encoded across pages via Fibonacci-derived cipher blocks. Further, I’ve come to realize that the final diagrams of the manuscript likely represent an “end state” — a symbolic interface or mechanical construct — which must be reverse-engineered to decipher earlier folios. In this view, the manuscript is not meant to be “read” linearly, but “reconstructed” structurally. The full exploration of this hypothesis is captured in my ongoing dialogue with an AI-based assistant (GPT), which has helped me formulate and refine these ideas. The original discussion is in Dutch, but I believe its insights may be of interest to your research team or broader Voynich scholars. ➤ You can access the full discussion (with live hypotheses, cipher parsing, and layered logic) here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I understand the document is currently in Dutch, and I am in the process of translating it into English for broader academic use. If your team would be interested in early access to this material, or would be willing to assist in its validation or dissemination, I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to collaborate or contribute to ongoing Voynich research. Thank you for preserving and opening access to this enigmatic treasure. I hope this contribution may help shed further light on its mystery. Warm regards, Hakan Adıbelli belli187@hotmail.com Venlo, The Netherlands   Favorite Plant Tournament FINALS Posted by: Koen G - 13-07-2025, 12:43 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (22) After a long process of sometimes difficult elimination, we have democratically determined our four favorite plants. Now, the time has come to choose a winner. Since I want to announce the results on Voynich Manuscript Day, I decided to use a Google form this time. Like that, I can collect the answers and only reveal them on the big day. There's a line where you can provide your forum name. I will treat all answers anonymously, but providing your forum name will help to ensure voting is proceeding normally. You may also write why you voted for that particular plant, which will give me something to talk about when I announce the results Anyway, without further ado, these are the finalists. You are not allowed to view links. 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