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| VMS Crowdsource - Projekt ( Ivan Zelinka ) |
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Posted by: bi3mw - 18-10-2021, 04:56 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Some people have started a crowdsource project on the VMS. I'm not familiar with Zooniverse, but it seems to be primarily a platform that uses "swarm intelligence" to evaluate contributions. How this will work in practice with the VMS is not entirely clear to me.
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| 104 plant names uncovered in The Voynich Manuscript |
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Posted by: sivbugge - 15-10-2021, 02:50 PM - Forum: News
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Today my paper Cracking the Voynich Cipher was released.
A download can be found at sivbuggevatne.com
The paper proposes a full decoding of the Voynich manuscript´s cipher. The decoding is tested in the plant section of the manuscript. It reveals 104 plant names which are all found as one of the first words in each herbal text. The names found lead to plants with the same characteristics as the Voynich illustrations, and the names are closely related to vernacular plant names used in medieval England.
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Siv
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| Internet vs Books vs Archives |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 14-10-2021, 01:56 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I have noticed that time and again images are posted on this forum that have been found on the internet especially from digitised manuscripts. However only a small part of what is out there is to be found online, although it is impressive what is to be found online. (I think I remember Nick Pelling observing the limitations of online resources.) Nevertheless it seems that books or archives are rarely if ever consulted by Voynich researchers. I wonder if Voynich researchers should cast their net wider or otherwise they could find themselves waiting a long time until documents are digitised. I remember posting not so long ago about archives with no response, it is as though primary resources are considered irrelevant. I understand there is more effort and maybe more cost required when drawing from books or archives as googling is a much simpler more convenient way of researching. It feels like Voynich researchers need to reassess their approach to research.
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| Sumac Flower |
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Posted by: Pardis Motiee - 11-10-2021, 07:33 AM - Forum: Imagery
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I have found a word (تبری) which is defined as sumac (سماق), and it is for the folio95r1. At first, I was thinking the drawing is more like a barberry. What do you think about it being a Sumac flower? To what I see, in voynich portal it is suggested that the other plant in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. can be a Poison sumac. So, if what I'm saying is correct, can we have two sumac plants? Or the writings are in the wrong place?
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| Medieval red, white & blue |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 05-10-2021, 07:55 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Blue, red and "white" are used with strong effect in the VMs cosmic illustrations. Does this particular combination of colors show up in any other aspects of medieval investigation? In heraldry, and particularly in the earlier and more simplified versions of heraldry that is more appropriate to the time before c. 1450, many two-tincture insignias are still in use and red, blue and white combinations are not that common over all, even if vair is considered as white and blue.
Recently, two investigations involving heraldry with red, white, blue and gold tinctures have occurred regarding the counts of Gorizia [Gorz with an umlaut, etc.] and Celje > Cilli > Zylly with umlauts. Does the particular color combination indicate any connection of these historical locations with the VMs? And where else might the same, primary combination of colors occur?
Blue, red and white are used in the arms of Portugal. Does Portugal connect to the Order of the Golden Fleece? Is there a list of examples for the VMs having connections with the number 'five'?
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| Another link with Roman numerals? |
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Posted by: Koen G - 03-10-2021, 03:48 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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The use of Arabic numerals has been promoted in Europe since the 10th century, but it took until the age of printing for them to (almost) entirely replace Roman numerals. One reason for the lasting popularity of Roman numerals in certain contexts would be that they are harder to tamper with, so they kept being used for things like accounting. (So far I've only seen anecdotal mention of this though. May need confirmation.)
The idea would be that they wrote for example xxvij. Because of the "j", nothing could be added. By contrast, something like 27 could be changed to 271 with minimal effort and drastic effects.
Obviously, one often-mentioned commonality of Roman numerals with Voynichese is low character entropy, or "low positional information". If I give you the alphabetically sorted set EVA [a, d, i, i, n], you know exactly how to combine them into a vord. The position of glyphs in clusters is inherent to the system and hardly provides information. In Voynichese as well as in Roman numerals, this is not an absolute truth (IV does not equal VI), but the contrast with regular texts and Arabic numerals respectively is similar.
Now I'm not saying Voynichese is designed for accounting or to prevent tampering, but the writing system also shows some resemblances to the practice with Roman numerals described above. There are some glyphs that look like they have something added to them, and those tend to "guard" edges of vords.
* The "c" or "a" with a swoop, in EVA called [y], guards both the left and right sides of vords. According to Voynichese.com, only 3% of [y] tokens do not appear at the edge. I think the actual percentage is even lower, since many examples seem to involve uncertain spaces.
* If you add an upward swoop to the [i] minim, you get what EVA calls [n]. This extended form of the minim could be said to "guard" the right side of words.
* EVA [m] is another glyph with an added swoop, and it appears almost exclusively at the end of vords. Exceptions often occur at the ends of lines, where some compression may have taken place.
* EVA [q] seems to guard the left side of vords. But [o] can do this as well, which is an argument against the system: if you have a word starting with [o], you could change it by adding [q] in front.
* 83% of [s], a curve with a swoop, is found at the first or last position of vords (this is [s] as a standalone glyph, not as part of the capped bench. I just did some quick calculations on Voynichese.com but there may be errors).
To be clear, this is not an attempt to read Voynichese as Roman numerals. But it is interesting to see some common tendencies between both systems.
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