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Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - Blackrider - 19-06-2025
Hi all,
I guess I am new to the topic but decided to give it a try nonetheless as it is fascinating enough.
I tortured myself and Chat GPT for a couple of weeks to produce a result below. Decided to obtain your feedback before I venture too far in a possibly wrong(?) direction. Many thanks in advance!
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - oshfdk - 19-06-2025
Hi!
What is "lun" and "ast"? I don't think these combinations exist in the manuscript at all.
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - nablator - 19-06-2025
(19-06-2025, 07:24 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What is "lun" and "ast"? I don't think these combinations exist in the manuscript at all.
They could be anything, but the Appendix: Full Lexicon Entries looks like a mix of EVA and hallucinated bits.
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - Blackrider - 20-06-2025
(19-06-2025, 07:24 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi!
What is "lun" and "ast"? I don't think these combinations exist in the manuscript at all.
Thanks! You are right in noting that words like lunkei or astnuz are not found in the Voynich manuscript in EVA transcription. These are hypothetical semantic reconstructions used as analytical placeholders to group and test recurring patterns in the manuscript’s lexicon. Their purpose is not to substitute actual EVA tokens, but to serve as conceptual roots for building semantic clusters that might reflect planetary, herbal, or grammatical structures.
For example, Chat GPT assigned the root ast- to a family of EVA words beginning with “ot-”, such as otal, otar, and otedy. This hypothesis was supported by a visual review of folios like You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. — which feature spiky, fiery-looking plants, suggestive of volatility, wounds, and sharpness—qualities classically associated with Mars in medieval astrology and herbology.
Conversely, the EVA root ched- (e.g., chedy, chedal) was observed in the context of soft-leaved plants and feminine imagery, aligning well with Venusian qualities: moistness, beauty, gentleness.
This line of my reasoning is grounded in the framework of astromedicine (I have been practicing astrology (not medicinal, however!) long ago), which presumes a symbolic and functional connection between zodiac signs, planets, and herbs. The Voynich manuscript includes clear depictions of zodiac constellations; however, the planetary dimension is not explicitly represented. My working hypothesis aims to close that gap by identifying textual labels that may encode planetary references (necessary for the astrology to work) in a symbolic or linguistic form.
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - RobGea - 20-06-2025
I am not too knowledgeable about linguisticts but how do you define a voynichese word root ?
One definition is "A root word is the most basic form of a word that cannot be further divided into meaningful segments."
but if you cannot read the language then you cannot assign meaning, if you cannot assign meaning then you cannot find word roots.
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - Blackrider - 21-06-2025
(20-06-2025, 12:42 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am not too knowledgeable about linguisticts but how do you define a voynichese word root ?
One definition is "A root word is the most basic form of a word that cannot be further divided into meaningful segments."
but if you cannot read the language then you cannot assign meaning, if you cannot assign meaning then you cannot find word roots.
Thanks. A Voynichese root in this context is a recurring word stem that appears frequently in different folios and tends to accept many of the same suffixes or endings. In other words, meaningful repetition and structural similarity are used to identify likely “roots,” even if the full code hasn’t been cracked yet. You can then assign plausible meaning to these roots and test how far that gets you.
That’s one of the approaches to decoding any unknown language or cipher: start with patterns, then test hypotheses about meaning.
RE: Planetary Root Assignments and Semantic Structure - Mauro - 21-06-2025
(21-06-2025, 10:49 AM)Blackrider Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A Voynichese root in this context is a recurring word stem that appears frequently in different folios and tends to accept many of the same suffixes or endings.
Are EVA 'i' and 'e' roots? They fit your definition above.