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Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves - voynichrose - 23-06-2025
Could small vord filler be a sign for meaningless text near plants? Look at the center of f36r. This text looks forced to me. What kind of a test method could we come up with to find out if I'm right?
RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves - dashstofsk - 23-06-2025
(23-06-2025, 07:34 AM)voynichrose Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.meaningless text near plants
This has also been noted on a few other pages. For instance f26r. Were all those small words really necessary around the fork of the plant stems? It seems that the author was just blindly filling empty space with bogus words.
RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves - oshfdk - 23-06-2025
(23-06-2025, 07:34 AM)voynichrose Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could small vord filler be a sign for meaningless text near plants? Look at the center of f36r. This text looks forced to me. What kind of a test method could we come up with to find out if I'm right?
What makes it meaningless? Words can be seen split by the stem in other herbals too.
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RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves - Rafal - 23-06-2025
Yes, it is suspicious. When there is very little space like between the plant stems or leaves then there is always a short word which perfectly fits that space.
See also for example f29v.
RE: Forcing two token vords near stems and leaves - RobGea - 23-06-2025
iirc, MarcoP and EMS did something about glyphs and text intrusions.
I made a quick pass (not thorough) of words that occur between text-intrusion markers ('<->')in EVA ZL3-n transliteration.
Excluded are any texts from Start-of-line (SOL) to marker and text from marker to End-of-line (EOL).
As attachment.
filer_words3_edit.txt (Size: 3.29 KB / Downloads: 3)
I have not worked my way through this list entirely but some noteworthy things.
<->sals<-> **all words between markers are single occurrences
<->sky<->
<->saro<->
<->ydey<->
<->ytorory<->
<->chkeeod<->
<->odaiil<->
<->ykoda<->
<->ykeeb<->
<->chshy<->
yk --almost all are '.yk,' or 'yk[' and 1 standalone
sy --almost always at EOL or before a text intrusion
olk --rare
dchd --rare
I was thinking if they were filler words then those words may be only found between text intrusions but there are only a few of those.
You could make a complete collection of these words find what word comes before or after and see if there is a difference between normal text and text-intrusion text.
EVA-'sy' is quite interesting because of where it occurs
sy before markers 9
sy between markers 5
sy as eol 19
sy in normal text 4