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Image processing, highlighting hidden details |
Posted by: ReneZ - 11-03-2024, 11:45 AM - Forum: Imagery
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Following are some processed images of the Voynich MS that did not involve photoshop.
They also do not try to simulate the effect of wetting and rubbing the pages. In fact, I am unsure in several cases what it is that they are showing.
They are intended to be false-colour images of the parchment.
They were made using the following procedure.
Largely speaking, in colour scale terms, the parchment has a certain hue, with a varying lightness.
One can establish the R-G-B coordinates of the lightest parchment, and set up a new colour coordinates system with one axis pointing from (0,0,0) to this point and the other two axes perpendicular to this axis.
One can then compute the distance of each pixel from the 'parchment axis' as the root-sum-square of these two perpendicular components.
That distance is then colour-coded. If it is zero, we render it black, and increasing values become increasingly colourful. If it is above a certain limit, we assume that we are no longer looking at parchment, and we use grey for the colour code.
I will show links to the images of the biological section in the next post.
In some cases we can see parts of the other side of the page (just like we can see in the normal scans).
In some cases, we can see things that are on the opposing page.
Also, we can see shading from the illumination and blemishes and folds in the parchment.
Then, in some cases there seem to be things that cannot be easily explained by any of the above.
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The Light of God Powers the Universe |
Posted by: pjburkshire - 10-03-2024, 04:08 AM - Forum: Imagery
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I reviewed the herculeaf posts about the Rosettes page. I do not agree that all nine circles represent one city. I think the center circle is the Empyrean where God resides. In Christian religious cosmologies, the Empyrean is "the source of light" so I think that nozzle-looking thing at the bottom with the chevrons coming out is God's light pouring out. There is also a place at the top with small circles pouring out and a nozzle to the left with line segments pouring out. There is also a place on the right with something pouring out but it is lost in the fold damage.
I think all of this imagery of something pouring out from the center circle is God's power pouring out and powering the universe. I think the circles that God's power is pouring into are the classical elements; earth, water, air, fire. I think air is the top, earth the bottom, fire the left, and water the right. The elements are the building blocks of the universe.
I don't see the city as intended to descended from Heaven to Earth. I see it as something that is expected to exist beyond the clouds/ether/aether when people get to Heaven after death. It probably doesn't matter if you call this Heavenly city the Empyrean or New Jerusalem or any other name, I think we are talking about the same basic idea of the residence of God in the Heavens.
I agree with this comment about the upper-right circle: "a sign of the ruling class and its wealth." I would continue with this idea that the opposite circle in the lower-left represents the clergy and the circle in the lower-right represents the common people; merchants and farmers. Maybe it's just me but I think that green rectangle with the squiggly lines looks like a garden or a field. I don't know about the blue X. Maybe that is a crossroad to represent traveling merchants.
I haven't given up on the idea of the small T-O Map in the upper-right as representing the world of the nobles of the larger circle. In life, the nobles rule the physical world on Earth.
I haven't given up on the idea of the clock/compass-looking thing in the lower-left as representing the Holy Trinity and relating to the larger circle representing the clergy who are the Earthly spiritual guides in life. I think maybe that cloud-looking thing with the trumpet-looking thing that is between the lower-left circle and the center circle may be an illustration that the clergy are the ones who hear the voice of God the loudest.
Maybe all those pipes are both for the voice of God from Heaven to Earth and as representing the prayers from people on Earth to God in Heaven.
I took the two suns in opposite corners to mean that the page was to be rotated and viewed from different positions.
This is just a wild guess but maybe the upper-left circle is the gateway between Earth and Heaven. Maybe it is the Aether, the fifth classical element. Maybe those pipes coming from that upper-left circle towards the center circle represent the prayers from people on Earth to God in Heaven. If someone asked me to draw a picture representing God in Heaven hearing the prayers of people on Earth, I'm not sure what I would draw.
I don't see the story as an end-of-the-world story. I see the story as the personal journey of each soul (I still think all those stars on the Zodiac pages are souls, not stars up in the sky) from pre-birth, to Ensoulment ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ) following conception and pregnancy, to life (f85r2), to death (f86v4) and Judgment (f86v3), and then to Heaven (Ros).
I think the story of how each pre-birth soul is selected to be born on Earth is told in the Zodiac pages of Quire 9, Quire 10, Quire 11, and Quire 12.
I don't have a clue what that thing is coming out of the upper-right circle towards the center or what that thing is coming out of the lower-right circle towards the center.
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Provenance and history of the Voynich Manuscript (hypothesis) |
Posted by: amelkin - 09-03-2024, 05:27 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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The Voynich manuscript was created by Dr. Johannes Hartlieb (1400 – 1468) in 1448/49. He was in the employment of Albrecht III of Bavaria-Munich from 1440, and of Albrecht's son Sigmund from 1456.
The husband of Anna von Braunschweig-Grubenhagen, Duke Albrecht III of Bavaria-Munich, married Anna out of necessity and continued to love Agnes Bernauer, who was executed in 1435. Anna was tormented by jealousy, especially strong after 1447. Then Albrecht asked his personal physician (Leibarzt) Johannes Hartlieb to direct Anna's attention to practices in the field of white magic, in which Anna was seriously interested.
At the request of Albrecht III Dr. Hartlieb on the basis of his drafts ordered to the scribes the "Chiromancy" and the "Voynich Manuscript" (the "Hartlieb Manuscript"), which were urgently created in the period from 1448 to 1449. Both books depicted a distorted reality, making them ideal divination tools.
"Chiromancy" was created by Dr. Hartlieb in 1448. However, Anna quickly became bored with hand fortune telling (palm reading). Anna needed something more mysterious.
Then started Dr. Hartlieb, in agreement with Albrecht, with the creation of the "Voynich Manuscript", which was based on various secret writing systems and old manuscripts from the early 15th century. There was a lack of time. Johannes Hartlieb had a team of trustworthy scribes and illustrators in the greater Munich area and in Augsburg. Based on secret writing systems such as "Kaldaisch", which Dr. Hartlieb perfectly mastered, since he was also a court diplomat, he created a special font "Voynichese" and a "Vocabulary", as well as drafts of various sections of the future "Voynich Manuscript".
90% of the "Voynich Manuscript" was just science fiction nonsense. The text didn't make any sense. Incidentally, Hartlieb has a manuscript on astrology (Johannes Hartlieb et al. (1448/56)), in which he gives various examples of secret writings, including "Kaldaisch". Only less than 10% of the astrological text of the "Voynich Manuscript" could be deciphered.
The scribes, who numbered not less than twelve, were given sketches of the various sections of the manuscript, as well as a large quantity of old parchment of various sizes. They were in a hurry and didn't keep the lines straight. They were also allowed to create their own text based on Hartlieb's rules. The fact that the text of the manuscript was created by several people at the same time is indicated by the presence of at least five parts of the manuscript with differences in handwriting, vocabulary and placement on the page. (Lisa Fagin Davis (2022, 2023))
Each scribe had to create at least 12 zodiac diagrams in a relatively free form, in addition to their own text, in collaboration with the illustrator. Some scribes were artists themselves. The zodiac diagrams in the Voynich manuscript were male and female. In total, there were 12 or more zodiac charts for each zodiac sign. Since some of the parchment was not cut into equal parts, some long sheets contained three zodiac diagrams or even more. Many zodiac diagrams differed from each other in drawings and inscriptions. Later this was interpreted as taking into account the characteristics of the customer category (guests of "Anna's Salon").
Dr. Hartlieb gave Anna the "Voynich Manuscript" in 1449. He presented the manuscript as the work of an early 15th-century magician, possibly Abraham von Worms. Anna was very happy and with the help of Dr. Hartlieb to conduct astrological sessions at parties in "Anna's Salon". The manuscript had not previously been stapled together and consisted of individual sheets. Anna conducted astrological sessions using these zodiac charts, so they were always in use and often kept in different places. Most of them were later lost or given away.
Dr. Hartlieb helped Anna to "decipher" the manuscript and made notes ("Michitonese") on the pages. It is also possible that the "Michitonese" inscriptions were the improvisation of one of the hired scribes.
During the sessions, Anna prophesied using zodiac charts. Anna predicted events in the life (fate) of the client (session guest) for a week, a month and a year and recommended various herbal mixtures and water treatments to solve possible problems. Dr. Hartlieb often attended meetings and wrote out recipes.
After Albrecht's death, Anna continued to conduct magical sessions at Nannhofen Castle.
The "Voynich Manuscript" possibly shows either Nannhofen Castle or Blutenburg Castle. Nannhofen moated castle was built a little earlier (from 1423) than Blutenburg moated castle (from 1424), and Albrecht von Wittelsbach and Augsburg bather's daughter Agnes Bernauer sometimes met there secretly.
Externally both castles were very similar and had a similar history. Since Blutenburg Castle was built about five years earlier than originally assumed, some events (for example the birth of Agnes Bernauer (1405 instead of 1410) and her daughter Sibylla (1424 instead of 1430), the meeting of Agnes and Albrecht (1423 instead of 1428) could have occurred, and the construction of Blutenburg Castle ("Blytenburg", "Pluedenberg", from 1424 instead of from 1429)) also took place about five years earlier. (Jutta Czeguhn (2017))
The author of the "Voynich Manuscript", Doctor Hartlieb, often visited both castles. With the creation of the Voynich manuscript, Duchess Anna von Braunschweig-Grubenhagen developed a passion for fortune telling using astrological zodiac cards. She did this in both castles until her death in 1474. In the 16th century, Nannhofen Castle and its library came into the possession of the Court Chancellor of the House of Wittelsbach. Later, the Court Chancellor handed over the “Voynich Manuscript” to Emperor Rudolf II.
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The Holy Trinity |
Posted by: pjburkshire - 09-03-2024, 06:17 AM - Forum: Imagery
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On the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Rosette foldout page there are the 9 large circles and in the far lower left there is a smaller circle with three tiny circles connected by two lines. Could these three tiny circles connected by two lines be a representation of the Holy Trinity?
Could this be seen as the opposite of the "T and O map" in the far upper right? Spiritual world and physical world?
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Dieu et mon droit |
Posted by: pjburkshire - 08-03-2024, 08:33 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Dieu et mon droit
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"Dieu et mon droit, which means 'God and my right',[1][2] is the motto of the monarch of the United Kingdom.[2] It appears on a scroll beneath the shield of the version of the coat of arms of the United Kingdom."
People in the past believed that kings were kings because it was the will of God and that the nobles were nobles and commoners were commoners because that was the will of God.
Christianity was for everyone; royalty, nobility, and commoners. When all these people got to Heaven, were they really expected to mingle together as equals? Could the Rosettes foldout page be talking about what happens to different classes of people when they get to heaven?
The circle in the upper right corner has castles. Also in that corner is what some think looks like a "T and O map".
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Could this circle with the castles represent the nobles or rulers of the Earthly world?
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How Christian is the VMS? |
Posted by: Hermes777 - 07-03-2024, 11:15 PM - Forum: News
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New blog posts You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
This one covers matters that concern some threads and on-going discussions across the forum. How Christian is the Voynich ms.? It's an open question. I'm happy to hear alternative views.
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Ensoulment according to the Catholic Church in the 14th and 15th centuries |
Posted by: pjburkshire - 07-03-2024, 01:18 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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I still think the pages of Quire 13 from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the Voynich Manuscript are about Ensoulment. I think the images of stars in the illustrations represent human souls and the process of Ensoulment.
Can someone out there who is an expert in the history of the 14th and 15th centuries answer this question; What were the teachings of the Catholic Church in the 14th and 15th centuries on the topic of Ensoulment?
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f67r2 and potential link to length of months |
Posted by: Arichichi - 07-03-2024, 12:46 PM - Forum: Astrology
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Hi,
Did anyone ever notice that f67r2 has alternating colors that happen to deviate with two pairs of successive colors? This reminds me of how lunar calendars tend to have alternating months of 29 and 30 days, until sometimes there are successive 29 then successive 30 day months. It seems to me that f67r2 suggests this idea with the yellow and red colored moons.
What do you guys think?
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