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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 720 online users. » 4 Member(s) | 713 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, N._N. Latest Threads Analysis of patterns at t... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi 5 hours ago » Replies: 6 » Views: 179 Combination of pch glyphs Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: ReneZ 7 hours ago » Replies: 22 » Views: 12,415 [split] VMS mailing list ... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 08:24 AM » Replies: 11 » Views: 258 Eleven Moon Phases in Fol... Forum: Astrology & Astronomy Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 05:17 AM » Replies: 121 » Views: 21,353 Speculative fraud hypothe... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Jorge_Stolfi Yesterday, 03:50 AM » Replies: 87 » Views: 5,922 The journey into an unkno... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Petrasti 14-09-2025, 04:02 PM » Replies: 26 » Views: 2,562 How to prove that the B-l... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Ruby Novacna 14-09-2025, 08:00 AM » Replies: 76 » Views: 33,917 My Theory: RITE — Ritual ... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: oaken 13-09-2025, 08:47 PM » Replies: 18 » Views: 1,489 Positional Mimic Cipher (... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: quimqu 13-09-2025, 06:58 PM » Replies: 39 » Views: 1,726 No text, but a visual cod... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: Antonio García Jiménez 13-09-2025, 04:24 PM » Replies: 1,560 » Views: 754,957

iconography and context Posted by: Davidsch - 24-11-2016, 02:52 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (4) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.a very good example of how you should analyse images within its context.   [or aiin] Posted by: Emma May Smith - 22-11-2016, 10:42 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (18) According to voynichese.com, the word or occurs 366 times and the word aiin occurs 470 times. Simply by chance we should expect multiple instances where the two words occur adjacently. However, the phrase or aiin is much more common than aiin or. This suggests that its occurrence is important in some way. It could be a set phrase with a single meaning (such as parce que in French). It could also be a sign that one order is grammatical and the other is not. (Interestingly for my hypothesis that words are transformed at the beginning of lines, a few instances of sor aiin occur.) Although even two word phrases are not terrifically common, I wonder if any other two words show obvious signs of bias toward one specific order. It could be that we could use them to divide words into groups according to the positions they take in such phrases.   [otaiin] and f107r Posted by: Emma May Smith - 20-11-2016, 11:20 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (11) I'm doing some research on Quire 20, and while the results may take a while, I thought I would share an interesting observation. On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are six occurrences of otaiin. Five of those are on the first line of a recipe, and all six either the third or second to last word in the line. Five of the lines end with m. I don't know what this pattern is, but it is worth reporting to see if anybody has any insight.   Lament from the Sea, New Method! f2r Posted by: stellar - 20-11-2016, 09:48 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (239) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. In order to test if the VMS is in Welsh, I'm approaching it from a different angle.  I'm still using the cipher chart and any column with a number the letters can be interchangeable as long as they come from the same column.  To explain a glyph could represent a letter, "a" or letter, "s" as long as it comes from the same column (like from 1).  In this test I'm not adding up letters and I'm also omitting glyph's that don't form a welsh word.  I'm not using anagrams.  I'm simply going from left to right in a VMS word and pulling out a properly spelled Welsh word.  I decided to try this, because when I added up a few paragraphs with the numbers I assigned to the glyph's I felt I was dead on in the summation although Coon and JKP, felt I was not 100%.  That is why I ran a VMS paragraph test to show that we can all miss count the VMS words.  I will release those results when its ready. The glyph's I did not use have red strikes through them.  I pulled letters from left to right from VMS words and the letter equivalents can only be from the same column if the VMS glyph is different.  The paragraph is what I call prose or a lament. I will keep trying this method for paragraphs only as I believe the labels use numerology.  As for the other paragraphs and phrases I'm not sure do to Coon and JKP. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Quire 10 diagrams Posted by: VViews - 17-11-2016, 03:09 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (32) Hi everyone, it seems that most of the focus on the "astronomy" section has been about the part contained in Q9. I'd like to discuss the diagrams we find in Quire 10, just before the beginning of the "zodiac". The folios in question are You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , f69v, f70r1 & f70r2. Compared to the previous set, they contain a lot less stars and a lot more other features such as tubes and weird foamy/bubbly-like designs ( see f70r1). The figure at the center of 70r2 looks really majestic, much more than the "sun" in the previous folios. Maybe that's just my impression, but this figure seems important. There's a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on Ellie Velinska's site where she compared You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to a wind diagram on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Oxford St. John's College MS 17. I saw a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on the old list thanks to a link on Stephen Bax's site, in which Adam McLean & ReneZ discussed 69v and referred to it as the "28 mansions of the moon" folio. There is a post by Robert Teague in the List archives (sorry I can't link to those) where he says he believes the foamy designs on f70r1 are trees, and that this folio represents 'The world". There is also another post in the list archives about this whole foldout by a poster named SD, but to be honest, I couldn't make any sense of what the poster meant, other than his claim that "The VM will destroy Mankind unless people repent and return to God's (Gardening) Plan"... I am sure there must have been more discussion of this Quire before. It includes the beginning of the "Zodiac" section so I'd expect it to be somewhat related to astrology, but who knows? I'm really curious to know what other posters' interpretations of these folios may be, or if you have any links to blogposts or discussions about them that I haven't listed above.   Theor X Monas f1r Bird Glyph Association Posted by: stellar - 17-11-2016, 10:59 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (1) I was quite stunned after running the Latin through a translation program from what I pulled out of 1r.  My attack was based on the bird glyph in Dee's Monas, although there is a string of nulls the Latin sentence made some sense.  If Dee wrote this I believe he did not have his notes with him as to the fact of nulls.   Section names Posted by: Koen G - 16-11-2016, 02:11 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (21) (Consider this thread as a bit of a brainstorming space.) I have noticed that there are some problems with the way we refer to certain sections. There seems to be a tension between sticking to older names like "biological section" on the one hand, and moving towards more neutral terminology on the other. I have given this some thought, and, in my opinion, these are the pros and cons: Old names: pros many of them have become conventions already they are used in quite a number of publications already Old names: cons Even within the conventions, there is variation (biological section = bathing section) Some (new) people might confuse convention with consensus Objectively speaking, some of these names include an assumption The terms and their meaning are not known to everybody. For example, I've seen a number of people use "recipe section" to refer to not only the final section, but also the small plants.  All in all, I think that the current situation causes confusion quite often, and is not the best for those who use the terminology. This is especially the case on the forum, where communication is a bit more fluent and section names are used instead of folio numbers. Let one thing be clear - and I put this in bold - we cannot and should not require people to change the terminology they like to use! But, I also sense that a number of people (myself included) would like a more neutral, standard set of terms to refer to certain sections. If we could agree on these, I would happily use them. They could for example be called "forum standard". The idea would not be that everybody should use them, but rather that is clearly understood what is meant when somebody uses these terms. We could of course also define a "traditional standard", basically listing the traditional name alongside a more neutral one. Before proposing any particular terms or details, I would first like to hear your opinion on this matter. suggestion for Discussions in general and Positions we can agree upon Posted by: Davidsch - 15-11-2016, 12:27 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (3) Discussions in general and Positions we can agree upon Most new discussions I do not read anymore because the positioned statement is  formulated such a way that any discussion towards a good position is extremely difficult. A good statement in my opinion: 1) holds a positive statement (and not a negation, or a double negation) Good example: the figures in the manuscript are for 95% female with breast Bad example: most figures are female but of those that are not female we can not say what they are. 2) is simple, plain, straightforward (and not complex, made of of subcategories etc.) Good example:  the manuscript is handwritten in black ink Bad example: the manuscript is made from vellum, handwritten, from north Italian region and is bound and rebound more than once. 3) open for a reasonable discussion If a person want to bring up something entirely off the chart, this should be taken seriously.  4) replies should be short This is almost the longest post I've ever made on a forum,  and I know I will only read it, because of the clear bulleted points,  otherwise I would only scan the lines, which will give me at a glance what it is about. Suggestion:  Rating system per posting and not per person. Here, replies can be rude towards one person and surprisingly kind towards another.  For example: when you say 'thank you' to one poster and ignore another poster, by not mentioning his name, but mention your "friends" in your reply or thanking them. In many discussions there are standard replies from the major "discussion leaders" with no real contents, just air. It would be nice if those could be removed or marked as invaluable:  One writes that he already investigated that before, but has no exact knowledge which and when. Someone else will come up with a exact link and paper of research, from somewhere between the year -2000 till +2000, which is so old it has been discussed already a million times, and it does not add anything new to the table.   A voting/rating system such as on stackexchange.com is highly recommended where there is a real voting system per posting + or -. The positive aspect of it is, that we ourselves can learn from it: what is received as positive response and what not?   words in the leaves of ms LJS419 f18r Posted by: MarcoP - 13-11-2016, 12:44 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (16) UPenn Lawrence J. Schoenberg MS LJS 419 is a XV Century Italian herbal, possibly from Veneto. I just noticed that the leaves of the plant illustrated You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ("fugana"?) contain letters. It seems to be the same words repeated on each leaves. It seems to be clearly readable in the top left leaf: "uon" I would say. Any idea of what this could mean? Color annotations come to mind, but "uon" does not seem to me to be like any Italian word for colors. I think the plant could be the Eastern plant that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. calls "fagara d'Avicenna" (tentative idea, of course). Actually, the name of the plant reads "sup[er]ana]", from the text of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., it's clear that the first letter is an 's'. It corresponds to one of the plants in the Alchemical herbals: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Attached Files   f18r.jpg (Size: 173.52 KB / Downloads: 54)   Idea-just spitballin' Posted by: Anonymous - 12-11-2016, 06:11 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (7) Hello everyone.  I'm was thinking what if the person who wrote the VM wrote it whilst looking in a mirror? Has anyone here looked into this line of thought? When I write in my journal, I sometimes like to write backwards and I know this way of hiding information is used by various people through out history- a very simple way of hiding information. So, perhaps he created a code using various Romani dialects and then transcribed the using a mirror to write them backwards, or upside down, or maybe both? First Previous Next Last