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f17r Posted by: Anton - 25-08-2017, 02:00 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (43) To refresh a bit neglected "plant mnemonics" discourse, I'd like to propose to try to identify the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. plant. In fact, when Helmut and Marco were discussing the "mallier" marginalia in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. thread, Marco mentioned that the luc'z abbreviation could stand for the accusative "lucem" which also means "eyesight", and which corresponds to the "eyes" depicted in the roots of the plant. This just triggered my memory of the plant, and the only line that I remember of Miechowsky "Conservatio sanitatis": "miraculus in reparatione visus", which is said of Euphrasia. Now, Pritzel lists quite a number of folk names of Euprasia that feature components such as "Augen-" or "Licht-", such as "Augenkraut". It has been mentioned recently in the forum that Pritzel is not very reliable source, but this is not the case where we should be on guard, because e.g. in Russian Euphrasia is called "Очанка" which derives from (now quite obsolete) "Очи" (= Eyes). Although some of Euphrasia have violet flowers, neither the leaves nor the flowers of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. look very much like Euphrasia. So my suggestion would be to develop the eyes mnemonics further and to: - look what other plants are recommended to improve eyesight or cure eye diseases (my №1 suggestion for the roots mnemonics) - look what oher plant names may refer to eyes (my №2 suggestion for the roots mnemonics) - discuss what the leaves mnemonics for this plant can be and how this could correlate to the eyes mnemonics of the roots.   The most elusive writing in the MS Posted by: ReneZ - 24-08-2017, 12:16 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (17) Having compared the various available transcription files with each other and with the image of the MS, I've been able to make an inventory of all text in Voynichese writing. Of course this means all text that we know of today. It may be of interest to point to some of the more elusive pieces of text, which come in various forms. For one, there is a pair of characters in plain sight, that has been completely ignored by all transcribers. This is a pair of characters in the left margin of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that seems to read dd It could of course also be (Roman) 88, but since the line includes a rare word with this character pair, it very much looks like a reference to this, perhaps made by a later owner (?). By itself an interesting question. Another elusive piece of text that was not captured by anyone (even Th.Petersen) is a word or two in the Voynich script that is part of the top margin of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . Everyone can be excused for this, since it is only visible under UV illumination. Then there is a word in the upper left corner of the Rosettes page. Th.Petersen saw it and transcribed it. He wrote in his letters that for particularly difficult items, he consulted the original MS. It is missing in all transcription files except the one made by Gabriel and myself, since we used Th.Petersen's hand transcription. One label that I had started to believe was imaginary, until two days ago, is on f102v1, on the bottom container. This may be an interesting challenge for people to figure out. Th.Petersen had it, and GC included it in his transcription, but it is missing in the interlinear file. Finally, there is one that is so elusive, that I haven't been able to find it. It is mentioned in the interlinear file. It should be on f101v2 on the third row, between the container and the first plant part and is transcribed as **l** . Perhaps the description is wrong, and any suggestions would be appreciated.   O'Neil on target for f71r and possible article due out Posted by: Saturn - 23-08-2017, 06:49 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (1) Why has most everyone ignored this fellow O'Neil when it looks as though he is on target? I have read O'Neil's book regarding the, "House of Este's", involvement with the VMS.  What really stands out for me is this image that I retrieved from Dr. Bax's site as the attachment of constellations and Jupiter Rising.  O'Neil really digs deep here I believe he has decoded part of  folio f71r, but not all of it. What I also found he is selling other books.  I would just chalk this up to his quest for finding out what he has contributed in his final book.  And the ciphers which he has put together in this quest might be what the NSA deem special.  O'Neil does put forth LATIN as the language for the VMS and it is a full color read and extremely interesting. I'm an editor for Scientific American, what positive accolades would you give Mr. O'Neil for his final work, which he apparently shared here for a little while? Attached Files   165925.png (Size: 290.03 KB / Downloads: 712)   Flushing out a language from the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: Saturn - 23-08-2017, 02:26 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (4) Hello, My name is Matt and this script has to be Latin, yes the gallows with the bench is strange, but that is, because its in cipher.  Now I don't wish to release my cipher until we agree that you and your crew don't beat me up too bad here because its my life's work. You see the {oe} in voynich that's Latin for{ ei }= and its { to, they } in English Now if you wish to understand the cipher then post a reply! Helical structure of rosettes page Posted by: Ruby Novacna - 22-08-2017, 12:06 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (25) Hello ! For several days I have been looking for proposals to explain the helical structure of the rosette page. Do you have any references? Attached Files   helice.jpg (Size: 64.27 KB / Downloads: 308)   solar eclipse and the Rosette map... Posted by: juergenw - 21-08-2017, 07:10 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies For those without proper daylight today... Turn on some lights and have a look if you can match the solar eclipse diagram annotation to the rosette maps' appendix (see attachment).   The direct link to today's eclipse blogpost is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The link includes all the ms links. Attached Files   eclipse examples.pdf (Size: 1.21 MB / Downloads: 31)   The Medici agenda Posted by: Linda - 18-08-2017, 09:50 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - No Replies So this is an idea where the Medici family continued to show secrets of the world in their commissioning of art. I see connections to Botticellis paintings with regard to both geography and flora. Let me show you a later painting which I see as representing the world in its entirety. Calumny of Appeles    The timing of this painting is just after Columbus' journey. Now take a look at this projection. Not perfect but do you see the similarities? Australia would need to swing around 90 degrees with Antarctica making up the top half of Venus to the far left of the painting. Can you see the arm? The old hag is a T-O map trifecta of Africa, making up her head, Europe, the UK is her pointy sleeve, and Asia with India as the trailing dress. Note she is toe to toe with the tip of North America,  Jason Davies has a tool which can help make the shapes morph more closely to those in the painting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  I haven't been able to capture it yet but will see what I can do. If you then go back in time, you find Cosimo Medici to be connected with various people that could have been part of making the manuscript, from geographers to cryptologists and astronomers, among others. I still see quite 13 as showing the ecumene through bodies of water, and the Birth of Venus seels to me a continuation of what is shown geographically, followed by Primavera, which to me combines more geography with a multitude of flora, in addition to the generally accepted imagery of the graces etc. Calumny of Appeles then shows the entire globe of land masses in its entirety. In 1439 the works of Strabo were introduced to Italy at the Council of Florence, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. who also knew Columbus I see this as the information shown in quite 13. Notably, Strabo's ecumene ends exactly where the quite 13 one does. He also saw Sagres point as the wester most point in Europe, which is where Quite 13 starts it's journey. Strabo also incorporated the work of Hecataeus in his writings, I see his periplusas being recreated in Quite 13 as well. There are more connections, but I will stop here to see if anyone sees a glimmer of what I am seeing in this.   Why does Beinecke do this? Posted by: Koen G - 17-08-2017, 08:56 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (3) A post from Beinecke just appeared on my facebook feed, and I keep being surprised at the confidence with which they claim unverified or wrong things.  Central Europe? Why? Why not Spain or Sicily or England for all I care? But okay, that's one thing, central Europe is a vague term. But why don't they update the date range? I thought we could be relatively certain about early 15th century?   why.jpg (Size: 45.7 KB / Downloads: 97)   Gallows distribution Posted by: davidjackson - 16-08-2017, 09:28 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (4) Can anyone out there confirm or deny this? Stolfi mentions in a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that he found the following gallows distribution: Quote: I just noticed a curious coincidence: > >   total *occurrences* of words (tokens) with >     >      0 gallows .... 17363  (49.4%) >      1 gallows .... 17443  (49.6%) >      2 gallows ....   323   (0.9%) >      3 gallows ....     3 > Many (if not all) of the 2- and 3-gallows words are probably due to > omission of word spaces by the transcribers. Other data errors may > have injected a few percent of noise in these figures. > > Still, the coincidence is intriguing. It seems safe to assume that a > "correct" Voynichese word can have at most one gallows; so we have > almost exact 50-50 split between 0-g and 1-g words. Even curiouser:               w/o gallows    with gallows             +--------------+--------------+ w/o tables   | 8772 (25.2%) | 9016 (25.9%) |             +--------------+--------------+ with tables  | 8591 (24.7%) | 8423 (24.2%) |             +--------------+--------------+ These are counts of tokens (word instances) in the whole majority-vote transcription; minus key sequences, labels, unreadable/contentious tokens, and the 326 tokens with two or more gallows. The "gallows" are the EVA letters [ktfp], including any platforms ("ct", "cth", "ith") and isolated "e" suffixes ("te", "cthe", etc.). The "tables" are the letters "ch", "sh", "ee", and any isolated "e"s that are not attached to a gallows letter. I can't be bothered to dig into this right now - does anybody have the stats to prove or disprove this antique statement?   The Greatest Clue for decoding the Voynich Manuscript Posted by: coded - 16-08-2017, 03:12 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (3) Arae I call Arae is listed in 68r1, the alchemy section and the vegetable menu section!  So here are the folios.  Arae is Ara for star and Constellation! You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Arae is for fire Some Venus fly traps have a greater resistance to fire than other plants.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and depends on periodic burning to suppress its competition.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Fire suppression threatens its future in the wild.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. First Previous Next Last