Koen G > 01-10-2016, 09:25 PM
Top of skull to navel: 2.3 heads
Top of skull to knee of straight leg: 3.4 heads
Total size: 4.3 heads
EllieV > 01-10-2016, 10:14 PM
Koen G > 01-10-2016, 10:22 PM
EllieV > 01-10-2016, 10:29 PM
(01-10-2016, 10:14 PM)EllieV Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It all depends how you pick you samples. Here I tried to "head-measure" the way you did some women drawn in 15th century, 3rd quarter, German manuscript (Goethe Univ ms germ qu 100). The proportions seem close enough to the VMs figures. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Koen G > 01-10-2016, 10:33 PM
EllieV > 01-10-2016, 10:33 PM
(01-10-2016, 10:22 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ellie, this is not about 15th century European or not. Where dit I say something like that?
I picked my samples by selecting those nymphs of which I could measure the full body. A second requirement is that they had to be standing up, i.e. not too much bend in the body. Additionally, I treated all outliers in a separate section. If you think I made some mistake, do please test it yourself - the more data the better.
All I wanted to find out is whether proportions are consistent, and they are. That's data. It is very likely that these proportions are found more in Medieval European art than in Classical art. That is beside the point of this study.
But of course I would encourage the use of the results in comparative studies. Though in that case a full body standing figure would be ideal.
(01-10-2016, 10:33 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Also, actually looking at what you did, there are some methodological flaws.
- You compare the length of the yellow woman using the head of another one.
- You cut off below the neck and above the skull, while I said my my measurements were made from skull to chin.
- There is no lower point of reference - we cannot see where the women's knees are.
- And in the last example you posted, the woman is sitting!
(01-10-2016, 10:22 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ellie, this is not about 15th century European or not. Where dit I say something like that?
Koen G > 01-10-2016, 11:11 PM
EllieV > 01-10-2016, 11:44 PM
(01-10-2016, 11:11 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ellie: in my first post I show classical statues, exactly because they use idealised proportions that are different than those of the voynich nymphs. If I wanted to argue that the nymphs are Greek or Egyptian by that, I'd surely be shooting myself in the foot.
Like I said in my second post, an actual comparison with other art forms will be reserved for the last post in the series.
I'm not an expert on head sizes in other cultures, maybe Diane can say something about that of she reads this thread.
All I had in mind was to gather some data on the proportions of the nymphs and their consistency. The four part division and the differently proportioned men were a surprise to me and I don't know what that means.
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Sam G > 02-10-2016, 04:18 AM