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• Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  Dobri > 11-01-2025, 10:54 AM

  The attached image hints at the possibility that the scribe inadvertently revealed in folio 70v (Pisces) that '8' is in fact 'd'.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  oshfdk > 11-01-2025, 11:28 AM

  Could you elaborate?

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  Dobri > 11-01-2025, 11:39 AM

  (11-01-2025, 11:28 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could you elaborate?

  The symbol I surrounded in an orange rectangle looks like the letter 'd' written in a Gothic-like style while presumably this should be '8' in Voynichese.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  Dobri > 11-01-2025, 12:08 PM

  Attached is an image from the "Book of hours" to see how the letter 'd' was written during the 15th century.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  nablator > 11-01-2025, 12:12 PM

  The top loop is actually closed, but the ink is faint.
  
     
  
  The scribe had problems regulating the ink flow, it happens often.
  
     

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  Dobri > 11-01-2025, 01:10 PM

  (11-01-2025, 12:12 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The top loop is actually closed, but the ink is faint.
  ...

  If the loop is closed, an unusually large '8' would be formed if compared to the '8's in the preceding word tokens in the same ring. Also, the observable faint black ink continues upward in a linear fashion.

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  nablator > 11-01-2025, 02:12 PM

  (11-01-2025, 01:10 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (11-01-2025, 12:12 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The top loop is actually closed, but the ink is faint.
  ...

  If the loop is closed, an unusually large '8' would be formed if compared to the '8's in the preceding word tokens in the same ring. Also, the observable faint black ink continues upward in a linear fashion.

  
  Voynich calligraphy: unequal, unruly shapes, spacing and baseline.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  BessAgritianin > 11-01-2025, 03:19 PM

  Symbol "8" in VM is not the letter "d", neither 8.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  BessAgritianin > 11-01-2025, 03:24 PM

  Symbol "8" in VM is not the letter "d", neither 8.
  In my thread "Missing Constellations" I had explained that foil57v is Waterman or "Vadol".
  Not only this symbol is read falsely, but others too.

• RE: Does folio 70v reveal that '8' is the letter 'd'?

  oshfdk > 11-01-2025, 03:29 PM

  (11-01-2025, 12:08 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Attached is an image from the "Book of hours" to see how the letter 'd' was written during the 15th century.

  
  Well, we don't even need other books, there is this shape from f116v, which is usually interpreted as 'd', as far as I know.
  
     
  
  EVA d does look like latin d, I suppose this is exactly the reason why letter d was assigned for this symbol in EVA. However, I'm not sure the image from 70v gives us any new clues here. Regardless of whether the upper loop of d is closed there or not. Voynichese is highly irregular when it comes to glyph shapes, so this could be a weird EVA d, with a broken loop, with a faint big loop, etc.
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