The Voynich Ninja

(30-10-2016, 11:59 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just to note that its is quite careless to rely on modern dictionaries in decrypting a 15th сentury document. Many things were expressed in different words back then, let alone changes in spelling.

Anton how accurate are dates associated with words.  I believe this to be sort of arbitrary am I correct.  The dictionary I am using has dates for old welsh, middle and modern.

Here you can see it clearly says schutzen, not bogenschuetzen and, with slight variations, that's how pretty much all of them are, except those where they used Latin:




You are putting a lot of reliance on Internet numerology generators, Internet dictionaries, etc. The best knowledge usually comes from studying original sources.

Hi stellar,

Sorry I could not understand your question. Anyway, I'll say in advance that I would be hardly able to answer it, because I'm not a specialist in the history of languages.  

If you mean calendar dates then different styles have been used throughout the course of time and different cultures, for example the modern Gregorian calendar dates back to late 16th century and was adopted in different time in different lands; e.g. in Russia it was implemented only after the October Revolution.

(31-10-2016, 12:17 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi stellar,

Sorry I could not understand your question. Anyway, I'll say in advance that I would be hardly able to answer it, because I'm not a specialist in the history of languages.  

If you mean calendar dates then different styles have been used throughout the course of time and different cultures, for example the modern Gregorian calendar dates back to late 16th century and was adopted in different time in different lands; e.g. in Russia it was implemented only after the October Revolution.

If a word has a date for 1588, how accurate is that?

Not sure that I understand what does that mean that a word "has a date", but anyway, supposing that the Julian calendar is in place, that would be accurate subject to a few days for the times in question.

I mean that if a guy living in 16th century believed that he lived in 1588, he was not mistaken.

Quote:BOGENSCHUETZEN does not appear in this German dictionary unless you can provide another online dictionary which states otherwise I like to see it.

In German, you can rewrite a ü as "ue" - this happened in Middle High German texts since the 1200s, so I substituted Bogenschuetzen for Bogenschützen (archers).

(30-10-2016, 11:51 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thomas,

What language is Skorpius?  Please provide a dictionary link Thomas.  I am allowing one word from a different language in the Zodiac since I did use the English word for scorpion.

It was used in Middle High German (-JKP- confirms seeing this). So if I'm not mistaken, do I still have 6 viable names?

Thomas, the official rules state that you may include one word from a different language so you can surely get to seven

(31-10-2016, 02:34 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Quote:BOGENSCHUETZEN does not appear in this German dictionary unless you can provide another online dictionary which states otherwise I like to see it.

In German, you can rewrite a ü as "ue" - this happened in Middle High German texts since the 1200s, so I substituted Bogenschuetzen for Bogenschützen (archers).

(30-10-2016, 11:51 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thomas,

What language is Skorpius?  Please provide a dictionary link Thomas.  I am allowing one word from a different language in the Zodiac since I did use the English word for scorpion.

It was used in Middle High German (-JKP- confirms seeing this). So if I'm not mistaken, do I still have 6 viable names?

Yes sounds good and I would love to see a professional break my code and point out that it is just a coincidence.  Are you going to keep trying to create a Zodiac with then numbers I used?  Mr. Coon how are dates assigned to words in dictionaries?

Please check this I have found Pleiade and Craf and a number of other words with my system which fits the labels and themes for the pictures.  How then is my system incorrect?

Pleiade adds to 7 and was it not the 7 sisters, kind of Ironic eh.

I found Polaris in the center and it added up to equal the cipher so I think I'm on to something.

Tom: usually dictionaries will consult a large database of texts and find out when a word is first attested.so if you see a word dated to 1234 you can be certain that it has been used in a manuscript dated to the year 1234.

I have been looking at folio 49v for some time now.  But, tonight I just stared at it till I came up with a solution and my cipher is the solution to the VMS with a 100% result.  As most of you know there is a number column to the left of the glyph column which reads 1-5 and then the glyph column which descends next to the paragraphs.  Using proper math associated with my cipher for these glyph’s in the tabbed margins they add up together to be 156 which is the same for the vord count on this page.  The total in the first column is 73 and the next column for the other two paragraphs is 83.  So to my pleasure there was a system to the madness on this page J





I also want to add the entropy count which I found by just playing around with a new set of glyph’s that I designed for the challenge for JKP’s paragraph.  From just one paragraph starting out it is a near match to the VMS.

Quote: The average word length for voynich glyph's is 5.5.

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I have to agree with Rene that the VMS does suffer from low entropy.  What I noticed when I enciphered a paragraph from JKP's site using a number system is that when I hit the picture I could simply lower the character count yet it still would equal the vord number.  Also notice that when I used the Pythagorean number system table I managed to make it look like a language in just 1 paragraph thus having a frequency set.

Using this system it quite easy to shorten long words and still maintain the look and feel of a language.  The system I use is kinda of a grill like Gordon Rugg suggests.

An interesting comparison would be is to know the average length of a voynich vord and compare with my little paragraph to see if I'm on to something.  Another fact is that the Voynich Manuscript could be a copy of another book as it was easy for me to just make up glyph's and use the Pythagorean table.

Just looking at my paragraph it would seem that I have almost an exact match for 5.5 average.
let me do some math 
Here is my calculation for the paragraph.

1(8 letter word) 1 (7 letter word) 7(6 letter words) 6 (5 letter words) 8 ( 4 letter words) 9 ( 3 letter words) 13 ( 2 letter words) 7 (1 letter words)

52 total vords

52/1 + 52/1 + 52/7 + 52/6 + 52/8 + 52/9 + 52/13 + 52/7
___________________________________________________= 5.22 average

8

As you can see just from a simple sample, I'm almost dead on to the Voynich Manuscript!  Maybe there is something to be said about math and language combined and some sort of universal thinking using the two.