The Voynich Ninja

(08-11-2016, 05:04 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That is fair most dear Stellar. I think the point that is being made (correct me if I am wrong dear Thomas) is this:

If this numerology system can produce words in any language - Welsh German Chinese etc. - then it may be too loose: anyone can find anything they're looking for.

If you think John Dee wrote the manuscript, and I think it's a Chinese work, and the numerology system says we're both right at the same time, then something may be wrong with the system.

You have to remember that Chinese is more of a symbolic language and syllabic language.  And as you can see Latin letters were used in the translation of Chinese.  Chinese symbols cannot be used in Pythagorean number system.

(08-11-2016, 05:40 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(08-11-2016, 05:04 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That is fair most dear Stellar. I think the point that is being made (correct me if I am wrong dear Thomas) is this:

If this numerology system can produce words in any language - Welsh German Chinese etc. - then it may be too loose: anyone can find anything they're looking for.

If you think John Dee wrote the manuscript, and I think it's a Chinese work, and the numerology system says we're both right at the same time, then something may be wrong with the system.

You have to remember that Chinese is more of a symbolic language and syllabic language.  And as you can see Latin letters were used in the translation of Chinese.  Chinese symbols cannot be used in Pythagorean number system.

Stellar, you missed the point.

People are saying that if the system works for a variety of languages (Chinese was only an example), it provides evidence that the system (the underlying theory and method) may be flawed or applied inappropriately.

(08-11-2016, 08:40 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(08-11-2016, 05:40 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(08-11-2016, 05:04 PM)Witch Mountain Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That is fair most dear Stellar. I think the point that is being made (correct me if I am wrong dear Thomas) is this:

If this numerology system can produce words in any language - Welsh German Chinese etc. - then it may be too loose: anyone can find anything they're looking for.

If you think John Dee wrote the manuscript, and I think it's a Chinese work, and the numerology system says we're both right at the same time, then something may be wrong with the system.

You have to remember that Chinese is more of a symbolic language and syllabic language.  And as you can see Latin letters were used in the translation of Chinese.  Chinese symbols cannot be used in Pythagorean number system.

Stellar, you missed the point.

People are saying that if the system works for a variety of languages (Chinese was only an example), then you have to suspect that it is the system (the underlying theory) that is at fault.

You are right it has to be in one language and I'm looking into a combined counting system at the moment for one language, We shall see.  Keep your fingers crossed this could be big.

Dear Thomas,

I thought about this for some time last night and we all know the VMS is not using Chinese as it's base language.  Also I appreciate your BS degrees, however Anton and others asked me for sources to my words.  Sources are always needed for assertions.

Also Thomas when was Chinese translated or adapted to a Latin Character set?

(10-11-2016, 01:21 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dear Thomas,

I thought about this for some time last night and we all know the VMS is not using Chinese as it's base language.  Also I appreciate your BS degrees, however Anton and others asked me for sources to my words.  Sources are always needed for assertions.

Also Thomas when was Chinese translated or adapted to a Latin Character set?

Stellar, it doesn't matter whether it's Russian, Hopi, Chinese, or French. or whether they existed in the 15th century. If your numeric system can generate valid correspondences in other languages, as Thomas demonstrated, it means that the underlying theory and method prove NOTHING about it being Welsh.

All it proves is that a system that breaks words down into a small set of numbers has broad application to various languages. Nothing more.

(10-11-2016, 01:21 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.when was Chinese translated or adapted to a Latin Character set?

Since the Chinese have had contact with the Europeans for thousands of years - especially through the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - it's completely possible our Voynich author encountered a Chinese speaker and wrote down exactly what he said in Latin letters. Then he encoded it Voynich with numerology!

(08-11-2016, 05:40 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You have to remember that Chinese is more of a symbolic language and syllabic language.  And as you can see Latin letters were used in the translation of Chinese.  Chinese symbols cannot be used in Pythagorean number system.

You mean the way of writing it is symbolic. The spoken language is as syllabic as any other, even moreso than some. You can use any glyph system you want to represent sounds. Some languages are written in two or three different styles of scripts, and this was also true in the middle ages.

(08-11-2016, 04:48 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All I can say is John Dee was in search for a universal language.  This is great input for a universal language using numbers.  And this may add evidence for John Dee as the author.

So were dozens of other scholars (including A. Kircher). Some even succeeded in developing new languages, including a correspondent and friend of Kircher.

The search for universal languages became widespread in the 15th to 17th centuries and beyond (with Esperanto as a contemporary example) and was in no way specific to John Dee. In fact, he spent much more time searching for angelic languages than he did trying to develop universal languages. He was hoping they might reveal truths about the universe that he couldn't find in books.

(10-11-2016, 01:21 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dear Thomas,

I thought about this for some time last night and we all know the VMS is not using Chinese as it's base language.  Also I appreciate your BS degrees, however Anton and others asked me for sources to my words.  Sources are always needed for assertions.

Also Thomas when was Chinese translated or adapted to a Latin Character set?

Thanks for the questions, Stellar. As for Chinese, I agree with Witchmountain: the Romans themselves had contact with the Chinese, so Chinese being written in a Latin character set isn't problematic. As for a source for "Witern" - before the 1700s-1800s, German didn't have a standard spelling - and in the 1400s, it was a total free-for-all. The word "Widdern" could've been written "Wittern" "Widderen" "Witern" "Witteren" "witeren" etc. Therefore it is not in a modern dictionary.

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After decoding the first 4 words in Welsh and English of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I was surprised.  So I went on using Welsh and English and this Paragraph closely parallels the beginning of the fall in Eden. 

For anyone not familiar with my decoding method; each glyph in a Voynich Word adds up to a total of a single digit using Pythagorean number system or numerology.  Just substitute a letter from the below chart for a glyph and type the word in the calculator.  Welsh words are to used in the calculation.  Words without Welsh can be calculated as English.  Yet all the totals are there for you equaling the number to left of the VMS word.  The number total as a single digit is equivalent to the VMS, Welsh or English words.

So if you want to calculate the word, "Serpent", you will find it equals 7 same as the VMS word.  As the word, "gyfrwysach", equals 9, same as VMS word.
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