The Voynich Ninja

What wonderful work, dear Stellar! What enthralling ideas! I am enthralled!

Ah dear Stellar, could you tell me why you believe this is the correct answer, and why your other numerology on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is incorrect?

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(29-09-2016, 07:28 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well I just broke tradition with my method these are the first phrases ever decoded from the Voynich Manuscript.  I had to get into the mind of John Dee a bit for this and with my knowledge and History of the Voynich it looks pretty clear what happened.  John Dee wanted a great deal of Gold or needed it so he fooled Rudolf II.  Rudolf was a depressed King who perhaps was enchanted with Dee and maybe the text was like an anti-depressant or an escape from his melancholy.

JKP can you give me a link or name of who else applied numbers to the VMS glyph's, 

Thanks.  Only time will tell if my system is proven!  I figure when everyone is exhausted by trying to decode the VMS people will latch on to my system.

(19-11-2016, 02:12 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP can you give me a link or name of who else applied numbers to the VMS glyph's, 

Thanks.  Only time will tell if my system is proven!  I figure when everyone is exhausted by trying to decode the VMS people will latch on to my system.

Stellar, you know how to use Google. Look them up yourself.  Type in "numerology voynich -welsh" and after that, type in "gematria voynich" and you'll see lots of references to numerology prior to yours.

Stellar there is a difference between "inventing a method" and applying it to something.
You obviously did not invent the method of numerology, and it is certain that you were not the first person to think of applying numerology to the Voynich.

You say time will tell. I'm sorry but no, the passage of time is not a way to verify a translation.

As to your assertion that people will "latch on" to your ideas once they are exhausted: No. The opposite will happen.

The fact that you are banking on the intellectual fatigue of others to create the conditions for them to give in to your system... is very telling.

Dear Stellar, what wonderful work! It is truly rapturous!

I was looking over your most enthralling work and was just curious if you think this page is both a contract to Rudolf II and a retelling of Genesis? I just wonder this most curious question, since you posted here that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a contract:

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(29-09-2016, 07:28 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well I just broke tradition with my method these are the first phrases ever decoded from the Voynich Manuscript.  I had to get into the mind of John Dee a bit for this and with my knowledge and History of the Voynich it looks pretty clear what happened.  John Dee wanted a great deal of Gold or needed it so he fooled Rudolf II.  Rudolf was a depressed King who perhaps was enchanted with Dee and maybe the text was like an anti-depressant or an escape from his melancholy.

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What do you think, dear Stellar?!

(29-09-2016, 07:28 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well I just broke tradition with my method these are the first phrases ever decoded from the Voynich Manuscript.  I had to get into the mind of John Dee a bit for this and with my knowledge and History of the Voynich it looks pretty clear what happened.  John Dee wanted a great deal of Gold or needed it so he fooled Rudolf II.  Rudolf was a depressed King who perhaps was enchanted with Dee and maybe the text was like an anti-depressant or an escape from his melancholy.

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You make assertions time-and-again that show you haven't done your background research.

There's no evidence that Dee ever actually talked directly to Rudolph. Rudolph was reclusive and did most things through his staff and liaisons. There's also a letter that indicates it may have been a messenger or "bearer" who took a manuscript (not proven to be the Voynich manuscript) to Rudolph, so even if Dee were involved in getting a manuscript to Rudolph, he didn't necessarily do it himself. As far as Rudolph was concerned, Dee was only one of many scientists, scholars, and alchemists in his court.

There's so much discussion in this thread that I beg the posters' pardon that I don't have time to read it in full. Nonetheless, I would like to repeat my question which I asked in one of the "numerology" threads but which was left unanswered, if I am not mistaken.

Does the "numerology method" provide for a distinct procedure which, when followed by two (or more) interpreters independently to translate Voynichese into plaint text, would yield the same result?! If there is, please share it. If there is not, then what's the talk about?

(20-11-2016, 11:15 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There's so much discussion in this thread that I beg the posters' pardon that I don't have time to read it in full. Nonetheless, I would like to repeat my question which I asked in one of the "numerology" threads but which was left unanswered, if I am not mistaken.

Does the "numerology method" provide for a distinct procedure which, when followed by two (or more) interpreters independently to translate Voynichese into plaint text, would yield the same result?! If there is, please share it. If there is not, then what's the talk about?

Hi Anton,

Sorry about the delay.  Here is an image known to many Voynich people as Tauros.  There are 3 VMS vords.  Hint 1 letter is a voynich 4 next to the 7 stars.  Simply use my cipher chart and plug in the voynich equivalent numbers or letters from my cipher to this numerology adder.  Then you will get a number.  Since this is an image with a theme; the three words you choose should equal the numbers found from the VMS words.  It does take a little imagination as to what the words would be, thus fitting the image.  So interpretation can be awry yet the number does not lie as to what word should fit the VMS vord.

Anton please use the Pythagorean calculator or if you understand numerology add up the numbers in a VMS vord until it equals a digit 1-9.  After finishing your work you can go to my site and check the Astronomy section.
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Stellar, what Anton wants to know is the following: if I take any paragraph from the VM and present it to five people to decipher using your method, will the results be the same? I think the answer is no, unless you tell them beforehand what their translation should look like. 

In other words, the method you propose requires one to know the plain text, rendering the encription useless.

Additionally, the translation is a version with deviant syntax, spelling, word order and vocabulary. So even if you gave people the normal version of the text that was encrypted, they will still come up with different translations because there's a lot of fidgeting and guesswork required of the translator.

So what Anton means is that if we assume repeatability as a requirement for a solution - which we should - then your method does not survive the test. It's mostly guesswork and everybody will guess differently unless you tell them what to guess.

(21-11-2016, 05:45 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, what Anton wants to know is the following: if I take any paragraph from the VM and present it to five people to decipher using your method, will the results be the same? I think the answer is no, unless you tell them beforehand what their translation should look like. 

In other words, the method you propose requires one to know the plain text, rendering the encription useless.

Additionally, the translation is a version with deviant syntax, spelling, word order and vocabulary. So even if you gave people the normal version of the text that was encrypted, they will still come up with different translations because there's a lot of fidgeting and guesswork required of the translator.

So what Anton means is that if we assume repeatability as a requirement for a solution - which we should - then your method does not survive the test. It's mostly guesswork and everybody will guess differently unless you tell them what to guess.

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I don't call it guess work!  I call it intuition.  The test should be used by 200 people.  The first 100 get a little bit of info like use it for images and themes and read the Elegant Enigma to see what the results would look like and also a blind test as-well (meaning give another 100 people the cipher and see what they do with it without any background as just says Voynich Welsh Numerology Cipher).  The paragraphs are highly speculative so the test should be only images with labels and themes and I believe people who have read D'Imperio's Elegant Enigma should take the test and at least have a couple on and off years of looking at the folios.  Unfortunately this cipher when in the hands of others may repeat what I have done and at times not.  I would suggest to stick to Welsh and little English.  Also in the Astronomy section I believe the words to be normal names as in there own language.


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