The Voynich Ninja

I have never seen an m placed before.
But I must also listen to the sound.
"aller luetn her" is possible. ...aller Leuten ihr....  ...of all people you...


If the first word is indeed "masher" Glück / luck,
would be the sentence " Glück aller Leuten ihr ..... " "Happiness of all people".

For me a sentence must also make sense, otherwise it would be useless for me.

The first word is clearly written as "mallier" in the same style as the text on 116v. Look at the long approach stroke on the "i" and the angular "L". Same style as 116v.

I really think it is a mistake to change the letters to something else in order to try to turn them into proper sentences/phrases. Maybe they are NOT proper sentences.

The letters at the end of this word are written in full, but they can also be abbreviated as [font=Georgia]lutz (with the last letter being the abbreviation symbol that looks like a rotated "m", which was written almost the same as the letter "z").[/font]

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I don't think VMS lucz is a "t", it looks like a pretty clear "c", but I thought I would post this example anyway, for general information on this abbreviation. Most of the time the symbol that looks like "z" ("rotated m" is a mnemonic for it) represents "-em" at the end of a word, but lazy scribes sometimes used it as a substitute for more letters if the context was clear.

Have you ever considered that the first letter is a bad "k" ?

Then maybe it would be "kuez". This stands in Alemannic for "kurz" short whereby the missing "r" is swallowed.

(06-05-2021, 02:35 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Have you ever considered that the first letter is a bad "k" ?

Then maybe it would be "kuez". This stands in Alemannic for "kurz" short whereby the missing "r" is swallowed.

Yes...

See just a few post (and a few years) earlier : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Yes...
it's the funny shape where a "k" suggests.
And it would be the only "k"
Even in northern Germany, the "r" in "short" is swallowed.
"kuez"

But (some) Austrians say "gurt" when they mean "gut".

(04-09-2020, 01:11 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The first word is clearly written as "mallier" in the same style as the text on 116v. Look at the long approach stroke on the "i" and the angular "L". Same style as 116v.

I really think it is a mistake to change the letters to something else in order to try to turn them into proper sentences/phrases. Maybe they are NOT proper sentences.

JKP, I respect your analysis and judgment of the handwriting in reading the first word as "mallier", but at the same time it must also be noted that if it is at all possible to read the first vowel somehow as a misshapen "u" or "o", then it does become very natural to read the entire word as a Latin/Romance language word form meaning "woman", which fits the illustration quite well, as Koen pointed out in an earlier comment in this thread. Also, "mallier" does not look like an abbreviated word, it looks like a complete word, so how solid an interpretation does anyone have for "mallier" as opposed to "mullier"/"mollier"? Maybe the writer simply made a spelling mistake with that one letter?

Stepping back to an earlier line of discussion in this thread, Old Occitan is of particular interest to me now, since my own preferred candidate as the author of (or employer of the scribes who wrote) the MS was stationed in Bordeaux (in Aquitaine) in 1401-1403 and was also responsible for territory in Gascony in and around Bayonne. (This cannot have been the date of composition of the MS, but it may have been the period when the principal brought the future scribes of the MS into his retinue.)

Geoffrey