I did not classify "Wundklee" kidney vetch as a possible medicinal herb for nothing.
It belongs to the classical medicinal herbs, it looks very similar to VM_drawing. The name "Wund" stands for wound. The detail in the root looks like a wound.
"klee" Clover stands for plant art.
Now I am looking for a connection between the German text and the drawing.
"aller " in connection, to put it another way, stands for the best that is there, or that can be offered. But the meaning is always there.
What does "mallier, malher, mullier.......whatever mean.
"healing of all wounds"
The beginning is a description. xxxxx of all, short their full...... or um.....
This is how I see it.
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(07-05-2021, 12:57 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (06-05-2021, 11:03 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you are suggesting or arguing for a different letter than "ll" due to this dramatic height difference in the ascenders, there is always the possibility of "adder" (as in a snake) rather than "aller".
It would be highly unusual for a figure-8 style "d" to be angular or for the lower loop to be so tiny, but I like your suggestion to try to look at it from a different point of view, possibly as a different letter entirely (I'm not sure which one, but it's strange that the ascenders are so short).
A strange idea would be a "b": The double letter would be most unusual, but if somehow "abber" = "aber", then not only German (meaning "but") but also Aragonese (meaning "to have") are possibilities.
JKP, you recently wrote (in your blog) about the Herbal where inscriptions were encripted by additional "false" strokes. Could the VMs marginalia made in the same way? Would it make sense?
Not in exactly the same way, but maybe the same general idea (only encrypting some of the letters). I don't know. The problem is it looks like it's in several languages, Germanic, Romance, Latin, Voynichese, then German again.
If it is encrypted in some way (some fairly simple way), is each section different? or some simple formula that isn't obvious at first?
(06-05-2021, 11:42 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So a word akin to German "Maler", then? Is there a medieval dialect in which a form of such a word might have been written as "mallier"?
I don't think so. In all Germanic languages, the "a" was long, so we would expect only one L. If it has anything to do with painting, I think a Romance form is more likely. Too bad the rather clear word "aller" exists in about any relevant language.
mallier, mal lier and aller all make sense in French (langue d'oïl):
mallier / malier: packhorse (cheval de charge)
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"mal" can be used as a pejorative prefix:
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or an adverb:
mal lier: badly tie (infinitive)
aller: go (infinitive)
(07-05-2021, 11:25 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.mallier, mal lier and aller all make sense in French (langue d'oïl):
mallier / malier: packhorse (cheval de charge)
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"mal" can be used as a pejorative prefix:
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or an adverb:
mal lier: badly tie (infinitive)
aller: go (infinitive)
Could it make any sense to use the infinitive "aller" ("to go") as the second word in such a statement? If so, what kind of statement could that be?
(07-05-2021, 02:01 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could it make any sense to use the infinitive "aller" ("to go") as the second word in such a statement? If so, what kind of statement could that be?
Not really. There isn't a straightforward explanation that would make a sentence in any language anyway...
The tortured, uneven script is also puzzling, and the weird elements, the k (or l ?), the "c3" / "cz" + macron that doesn't exist anywhere else.
In Latin manuscripts I've seen -cet endings written c3 but -cent was never written c3 + macron.
Maybe Mallier is a name. "Mallier goes..."
It is a name in modern times (I don't know how far back it goes). It's not common, but it exists. Many scribes did not use uppercase letters, or used them inconsistently.
Since the name is uncommon, it's possible it doesn't go back very far (someone could possibly check a genealogy site), but it might be worth checking anyway just to rule out the possibility.