The Voynich Ninja

(10-10-2018, 07:01 PM)Paris Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In old occitan, light is translated by "lutz" (not "lucz").

Apparently the nominative form can be lutz or lum, plurals luses and lums. 
Now if I understand Old Occitan grammar correctly, the plural oblique case would be "lutz". This means that for the Occitan to make sense you'd have to 1) read the thing as "lutz" and 2) ignore the macron.

I'm moderately confident that it's "Mars".

• Loop-m (which is the form often used when the word is a name)
  
• a
  
• r
  
• final-s (Greek sigma) It's a bit malformed, but this letter often is, I've seen final-s written like this. I've never seen "c" written like this. The stroke order is usually loop followed by tail, which often comes all the way around to touch the original loop. Squished loops are not the most common, but one does see them.
  

If I can be so bold as to give my opinion on my own opinion, seeing as this is what everyone else here seems to have done...

What I have said for the last decade plus is:
* I have honestly no idea what the marginalia on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. currently say (though "luz" resembles "lutz", it probably isn't actually "lutz").
* I strongly doubt all of the large-scale readings researchers have proposed for both sets of marginalia
* I strongly suspect that the marginalia on both pages have been emended past the point of readability
* The microscopic codicological examination that should definitively answer the question of what these say has not (yet) been carried out. :-(

As to what the marginalia on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. originally said (which is a different question entirely), I have previously proposed that the first word of the main text on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. may well have been "nichil", and that I would be unsurprised if the next word was "obstat". Helmut Winkler points out that this was a sixteenth century Church Latin trope, and he is correct: but as far as I can see, he has no obvious way of knowing whether a similar or related textual practice was already in place by, say, 1470 or 1500.

Here's a question I haven't seen asked, and it's something I haven't been able to resolve in my own mind...

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I am quite confident that the letters in the first word are mallier. They are completely consistent with the letterforms on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (which have the same kinds of loops and the same long serif on the "i" and the same style of "r"), and with medieval script.

I'm also pretty confident that the first and last letters in the second word are "a---r" for the same reasons.

But why are the 2nd and 3rd letters in "aller" so SMALL???

Look at the ells in "mallier". Tall. And in luc'z/buc'z/kuc'z. Tall. Yet in "aller/allor" unusually small.

Heh, you're right. I guess there are two options. 

One, they are different letters.
Two, very irregular ascender height. If you look at the ascenders in the neighbouring words, you see that they are all of a different height.

Quote: But why are the 2nd and 3rd letters in "aller" so SMALL???

Have they been amended?

the writer of the marginalien doesn't seem to have been a very skilled writer, he couldn't write regularly without help lines (four lines schema), either because he wasn't a skilled writer anyway or because he couldn't write in the language in question, German or French

What do you mean by "four lines schema"?

You can learn how to write cursive with the aid of four horizontal lines. Normal letters stay in between the middle lines, descenders go till the bottom line, ascenders to the top.



I stand corrected though, all in all the three other ascenders are quite alike and the writing, though not on the same line, does not vary much in height. In the following image I moved "lucz" or whatever onto the same line as the first words, without resizing or rotating anything. The anomalies are the short ascenders in the second word and the amended "a" in the first word. Note that the "a" was first perfectly fine but has then been made higher. Or the other way around.

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(25-11-2018, 12:34 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What do you mean by "four lines schema"?

Every minuscule script fits into a four line system, cp.
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