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Voynich through Phonetic Irish
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 10-11-2025, 09:13 PM
Revised,
1. fo-feadán a dein fofothúil athdean feidin deoch afeadán difeardin duil
2. faydin ahdeinn fa-foil ahdein feidin dog ahfeeJIN difeardin dooeyl
3. Undertube (re)make solid (re)make dry filling (with) drink tube a little difference element (water)
3. Undertube (re)make(s) solid, second hollow part dry filling(or kindle) draught tube, little difference in element(water) -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 10-11-2025, 10:18 PM
Someone asked for my methodology for repeatability and a lot of it has to do with my ears over time. This took A LOT of time.
This is clumsily written and doesn't include everything, but it avoids road blocks I ran into.
If I can't find a word, I break up the word.
I would say just to get your ears ready, look at my lexicon and sound out a voynich word with the lexicon and the rules (doesn't have to be perfect.)
Look up the phonetic spelling of it on Teannglann. Look at all the suggested words and listen to the ones that have the pronunciation tab. Go to tab, listen to all three dialects.
-----> Tain Bo for medieval reference: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Just to get your ear understanding those different sounds first. There are of course still exceptions with order and sound, and what your typing into teanglann to get the closest sound. You may notice no Ms or Ss, these sounds are made with combinations that I haven't included since they are not as common.
I have found there are quite a few homonyms.
th = th sound or huh, or hard t and sometimes d
fh/bh = fuh vuh, fh sometimes silent or huh in middle of word
ch/g = sometimes interchangeable
aigh and ofada = sometimes interchangeable
dg = dhin or juh sound
ufada and a symbol(oo sound) sometimes interchangeable
single small line, eh
double small line, - ee or ea sound
seeing oo- is an a fada with additional stress/syllable (trá for example, seen in my example)
fada solo = l, with it's following a vowel it extend vowel usually
vowels
oai = english w sound
suffixes:
-ouil - sometimes noun, sometimes adverb with english -ly
-ual -relating to nature
-dhin sometimes jin or din sound. If din it is diminutive most of the time
8 symbol with tail (pointy)= ght, cht, curvy = cht - a vowel almost always precedes it
g symbol - in ann an eann sound, sometimes means in process of/ing
o fada = adding "from" to the noun it precedes
the suffix in Irish "-og" written as A Fada is diminutive so small, but more of a tiny connotation, it is occasionally written as O Fada
prefixes:
o + Towers = ath- or ath not a prefix, the o can be soft you have to search for a words and t/th
half towers = fh or bh FUH or VUH sound, occaisionally silent in middle of words when order of vowels calls for it
4o = fo- fa feo
o and half towers= sometimes o is silent.
Cuffed towers and half towers at hard T and F respectively
R slices through all towers. when extra long it is infrequently an L so, tl or thl, same for F
R with a hat in center is BR -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Kaybo > 10-11-2025, 11:27 PM
(10-11-2025, 08:44 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not really sure what you mean. That happens, there are plenty homonyms or near homonyms. The way I'm able to look up words that are bizarre or they don't make sense in context is by finding adjacent sounds from the three dialects and spelling them phonetically into teannglann. The dialects are different and you can use different characters to achieve the same sound as the writing. Some of my words may be off but I look up more phonetic equivalents, I'll listen to the dialect guide over. I just did this with atheagan (which looks like atheadhin, but has a different meaning)
I think that what people here mean with cherry picking. The words differ only in the first symbol, so you start always with the first symbol and then you go symbol, by symbol to find adjacent sounds in old Irish. So in Englisch it would be like: I have a word that starts with Th and then there is something like uhn or ahn or ehn and the last one is a dr or er or ir. And then you find the word Thunder. -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
oshfdk > 10-11-2025, 11:36 PM
(10-11-2025, 09:13 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. fo-feadán a dein fofothúil athdean feidin deoch afeadán difeardin duil
2. faydin ahdeinn fa-foil ahdein feidin dog ahfeeJIN difeardin dooeyl
3. Undertube (re)make solid (re)make dry filling (with) drink tube a little difference element (water)
3. Undertube (re)make(s) solid, second hollow part dry filling(or kindle) draught tube, little difference in element(water)
How would you interpret the top line in the image below?
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 10-11-2025, 11:54 PM
I'll take a look! I fixed the image. I switched out for this word below, also feidin should read fo-feidin
eagán, m. (gs. & npl. -áin, gpl. ~). 1. Bottom, hollow part, pit. ~ méise, bottom of dish. 2. Crop (of bird). Níl ann ach an scrogall is an t-~, he is only skin and bone. 3 = AIGÉAN. -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 11-11-2025, 12:29 AM
I'm looking at what i have for that line you sent me, give me a minute. I also just updated the image below. -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 11-11-2025, 12:52 AM
So this is a little messy haha
Starting from the top of the line not just the highlighted (it's a question, see the ch symbol alone at the end)
1. fo-fá athdean fo-fheadan fo-fheadan dho fo-fheadan fho-fheadan?
2. fo foi aheedan fofeedan fo feedan dhoi fo feedan fo feedan (what i'm typing in teannglann more or less)
3.From under make minor tube tubes from minor tube tubes?
variation
Is from under (re)mak(ing) minor tube tubes(tubules) from two minor tube tubes(tubules)?
spelled fa from the word IS in irish possibly fits in the first word so UNDER IS FROM or without is UNDER FROM
is1, copula. (Present and future: affirmative & direct rel. is, neg. ní, interr. an, indirect rel. ar, arb, dep. affirmative gur, gurb, dep. & interr. & rel. neg. nach; past & conditional: affirmative ba, becomes b’ before vowel (except prons. é, í, iad, ea) and before fh followed by vowel, becomes mba after dá, direct rel. ba, becomes ab before vowel and before fh followed by vowel, neg. níor, níorbh, interr. & indirect rel. ar, arbh, dep. affirmative gur, gurbh, dep. & interr. & rel. neg. nár, nárbh; present subjunctive: affirmative gura, gurab, neg. nára, nárab. Forms ending in b are used before adj. or adv. beginning with vowel; forms ending in bh are used before vowel or fh followed by vowel. Past and conditional forms lenite; ní prefixes h to prons. é, í, iad, ea, and to adjectives and certain nouns beginning with a vowel. For compound forms see CÁ 5. CÉ2 1(d), DAR3, má2, mura, ó3 III. 1. (a) (Noun as pred.) (Is) fear maith é, he is a good man. Ní críonnacht creagaireacht, miserliness is not thrift. Níor cheardaí an té a rinne é, whoever made it was no tradesman. Nach leigheas ar chasacht é? Is it not a cure for a cough? (b) (Following pred., with neutral pron. ea) Fear maith is ea é, he is a good man. 2. (Pron. as pred.) Is mé Brian, I am Brian. Arbh é a bhí ann? Níorbh é, was it he who was there? It
feadán, m. (gs. & npl. -áin, gpl. ~). 1. Tube.
fidín1, m. (gs. ~, pl. ~í). 1. Tubule. 2 = FEADÁN.
dó1, m. (gs. as s. ~, as vn. ~ite; pl. ~nna). 1. vn. of DÓIGH4. 2. Burning; searing, scorching; incineration, combustion. ~ móna, ola, turf-, oil-, burning. ~ aitinn, gorse-burning. ~ corp, cremation of bodies. Iarann dóite, branding iron. 3. Burn; burning sensation. ~ gréine, (discoloration from) sunburn. ~ laidhre, inflammation between the toes. ~ neantóige, nettle sting. ~ seaca, frostbite, (of crops) frostblight. ~ talún, (i) soil-burning, (ii) foot-scorching, blisters on soles of feet. 3. ~ croí = daigh chroí : DAIGH1 2.
dó2, m. (gs. ~, pl. ~nna). Numeral: Two. 1. (a) (In counting; usually preceded by particle a. See A3) A dó, two. A dó dhéag, twelve. Fiche a dó; a dó is fiche, twenty-two. Céad is a dó, one hundred and two. -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
Doireannjane > 11-11-2025, 12:56 AM
Quick question, why is the date on this site a whole day ahead? -
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish
igajkgko > 11-11-2025, 12:05 PM