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| FOUR CIRCLES Challenge |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 15-03-2025, 08:15 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Another week, another proposed Voynichese translation / interpretation. Someone asked if there was a way to test a proposed solution, the most apparent being a demonstration, where any random page might do well enough, but perhaps there are some more interesting, potentially better choices.
In lieu of the complete textual rendition of the VMs, any or all examples of four folios of circular text might be an adequate challenge. They are the outer ring of the cosmos, the outer circle of White Aries, the circular text in the central Rosette, and the four lines associated with the moon and wreath (middle of f85r2-f86v6). Better choices require reasons and for the first three, the reason is the presence of Stolfi's markers. Stolfi's markers constitute a functional mechanism for the dispersal and reconstitution of a hidden text. While the matter of actual versus potential usage is still awaiting a valid translation, there is the clear, physical connection on VMs White Aries of a text marker with a potential heraldic insignia of real historical significance.
The rosette text bands have variously designed markers. The central rosette has two markers that follow the quatrefoil pattern. The last of the circles has no marker, just a clear, blank space dividing four circular lines of text. A hidden text could be constructed as easy as (1) one marker in the cosmos; (2) two markers in the central rosette; (3) three markers in the zodiac sequence. Structure can be demonstrated, but was it created and invested with meaning??
While there are other interesting possible folios, making a sensible and verifiable translation of these four examples would be a most promising start.
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| Decoding the Voynich Symbols |
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Posted by: 5dd95 - 14-03-2025, 11:17 PM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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i am new here My Name is Ed i have been doing reasearch on the voynich for quite some time. there are many secrets to the voynich manuscript including multipul people involed in writing the manuscript. Three of these people are Jacobus Horcicky, Tycho Brahe, and Johames Kelpler. as of yet i have not fully decoded the Voynich Manuscript i Know enough to confidently say i have parcially decoded the voynich and know How It Works. i beleave there are 2 more people involved in creating the script. i have also created a alphabet that i have copywrited. if anyone can give any guidence regarding how i safley get this information out so people can see my findings. as you can probably gather i dont want anyone else getting recognition for my findings. as you can imagine decoding the voynich took a lot of effort. all advice is apreaciated.
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| Positional allography? |
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Posted by: Frigorifico - 11-03-2025, 07:40 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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It is well known that some symbols only appear at the end of words, the beginning, or followed or preceded by some specific symbols. This is often used to argue that voynichese can't be a real language because no language behaves this way, but what if these aren't different symbols? What if symbols change shape depending on where they are in the word?
This is something that happens in many real scripts, such as Arabic, Mongolian, Syriac and a few others. Letters have often three or four forms: initial, medial, final and sometimes they also have an isolated form. These shapes are often similar, but they can be quite different in a few cases. This is called "positional allography"
However the reason these scripts have this feature is because they are "cursive" in a way, they are designed so that people need to lift their pen as little as possible when writing, which required letters to "flow" into each other and thus change shape
The voynich script is not like this, so it wouldn't need to behave like this... But what if it does anyway?
What if the Author was exposed to Mongolian or Arabic or whatever and that inspired them to make a script in which letters changed shape depending on their position?
This would reduce the number of letters, but it could increase clarity. Also, we could look at letters that never appear at the end or beginning of words to look for the other shapes of those letters
Thanks for reading!
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| Can we make assumptions based on the manuscript finding its way to Rudolf? |
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Posted by: zachary.kaelan - 10-03-2025, 05:06 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I'm wondering if the manuscript finding its way into the hands of a collector 180-odd years after creation - presumably as part of a group of other, unrelated books, liking having changed hands multiple times - increases the probability of the manuscript being a hoax to make money. On the other hand, manuscripts changed hands by force all the time. People that tend to go to such lengths to conceal information tend to have a reason to believe said information is important and has a risk of being intercepted. The manuscript doesn't seem like it stayed with its original creators for very long, which in my mind increases the chances of it either having not been important to them, or them having had valid cause to worry that it would fall out of their hands.
While the creators could've all died and the manuscript sold off by a heir, I would think part of the point of putting so much money and effort into creating a high-quality manuscript of secret knowledge would be so that it could be preserved, for future generations of whatever group or family they were a part of.
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| The Zodiac as a "Labors of the Months" |
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Posted by: SherriMM - 07-03-2025, 11:03 PM - Forum: News
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This is my first post here, please let me know if this has already been discussed at length.
I published a blog post today, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.in which I briefly detail that the zodiac section is depicting suggested agricultural occupations for each month, related to similar "Labors of the Months" artwork of the time, which explains why the zodiac name labels are generalized, and why Aries (March) labeled "April" and Taurus (April) labeled most likely "May", are depicted twice, possibly as the most important, or work heavy, time of year. I also note that the medieval calendar year started in March, the new year being the 25th, which is why Pisces appears first.
Thank you for your thoughts on this.
All the best,
Sherri Mastrangelo
(Note: my site is mainly for genealogy research, so please ignore the sidebars and other content)
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| Hypothesis regarding small alphabet |
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Posted by: ViolaGuy32 - 07-03-2025, 06:39 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Is it possible that the reason that the Voynich script appears to have only 13 or so letters (when accounting for positional variation) is that multiple letters could use the same glyphs? This phenomenon can be found in early Arabic writing. In the Arabic script, there are many sets of letters which are only distinguished by the i'jam, small dots written above or below the letters. However, in early examples of the Arabic script, such as the Burmingham folios, only the rasm is present, and not the i'jam (or harakat). This leads to many sets of letters appearing identical in some or all positions, despite them making completely different sounds. This causes the script to appear to only have 15 distinct letters, despite actually the Arabic script actually having 28 letters.
Is it possible that the Voynich manuscript exhibits a similar phenomenon of multiple letters appearing identical in some or all positions, and thus actually has a larger alphabet than it appears to?
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