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f57v Posted by: Anton - 30-10-2016, 04:41 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (71) I was just contacted (out of band) by Wladimir D, who reported an interesting matter about f57v. While the common idea is (as Rene puts it) that "The second ring from the outside has a four times reapeating sequence of single characters." (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), actually the sequence is not strictly repeating. The first two sequences (counting from the dairol reference point) contain f, while the third and the fourth ones contain p instead. I did not notice that until Wladimir pointed that out to me. Having a closer look at this ring, I further noted that the second-to-last symbol of the sequence also differs. It is i with a crossbar in the first sequence, and in sequences 2-4 it is rather e with a crossbar.   The Stepped Crown Posted by: Koen G - 29-10-2016, 02:21 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2) In my latest You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (short one) I explored some possible parallels for crowns worn by the nymphs. Some of these I've shared on the forum before, but this one is new. I believe that this find might help us understand better the path travelled by the material that ended up in the VM.  The statuette is a bronze Aphrodite from the Roman period in Syria. It falls well within the period posited by Diane for the first enunciation of the imagery (3rd BCE- 3rd CE). Like the lion mosaic posted by Sam a while ago, it was found in a former Hellenistic area now under Roman rule.  It shares with the VM figures not only the type of crown, but also the body type (although the heads of the nymphs are enlarged). A similar crown can be seen in this example from the first century, found in Byblos, an Ancient Phoenician city thatwas also an early Egyptian colony. This "Lady of Byblos" does have the addition of Egyptian style feathers on top of her head. Apart from the similar crown, I believe the item she holds might explain the giant "ring" held by the nymph (inset). No description is provided, but I believe this object to be a hinged mirror, like this (left Greek, right Roman): This made me realize that this nymph might actually be holding some type of mirror as well (see here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). Note how the inside of the "ring" is not painted green and how she does appear to be admiring her beauty. Likely dozens of parallels are possible for these crowns, but these are the only ones found on full bodied naked ladies, which has got to count for something.   Klaus Schmeh on Gordon Rugg Posted by: Helmut Winkler - 28-10-2016, 10:19 AM - Forum: News - Replies (11) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   [split] Book of Holy Trinity Posted by: EllieV - 27-10-2016, 05:40 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (30) I am sure it has been discussed by others through the years too. It is a page from the Book of Holy Trinity - the copy in the Rylands Univ Library. Hope the link works. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   The VMS is an illustrated manuscript handwritten in an unknown writing system Posted by: Anton - 26-10-2016, 10:56 PM - Forum: Approved blocks - Replies (24) From the beginning, the VMBOK initiative at once went into some quite specific statements about imagery, text et cetera. I would like to pay attention to some generic introductory statements which are also needed. So one of these is (partly adopted from Wikipedia): Statement [UPD Nov 2, 2016] The Voynich Manuscript is a manuscript handwritten in an unknown writing system and containing numerous images. Explanation As opposed to Wikipedia, I chose "manuscript" vs "codex", because IMO there's not enough evidence that it was really meant to be a codex. "Handwritten" may seem excessive, since the word "manuscript" implies this, but nowadays the word "manuscript" often designates something not literally handwritten (e.g. "to submit a manuscript to a journal"). So "handwritten" would not harm.   The Two F's Posted by: Sam G - 26-10-2016, 07:28 AM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (11) There are two cases where a small uppercase F has been written on the manuscript, once on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and once on f103r: Questions: Is the F on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the same ink as the illustration?  It seems hard to tell. What about the F on f103r?  Same ink as the stars and/or text? Are these two F's in the same hand? Do these two F's have anything to do with each other?  Or did two different people decide to write a small F on the manuscript for completely different reasons? Does a small uppercase F have a known meaning in other manuscripts?  Is there some reason why it might show up in these two places in the VMS? Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       No other document written in Voynichese script has been found up to date Posted by: ThomasCoon - 26-10-2016, 02:22 AM - Forum: Approved blocks - Replies (26) Statement No other document written in Voynichese script has been found up to date Explanation The glyphs of Beinecke MS 408 have not been found in totality in any other work. Certain signs and combinations of signs, such as qo and y, are found in contemporaneous documents. However, to our knowledge no other document contains all of the signs of the Voynich script (or "alphabet"), and there are no other existing examples of Voynichese writing. Notes 10/26/16: Changed the statement to include "has not been found" and "glyphs" 10/26/16: Rewrote the statement according to Anton's phrasing: no other document written in Voynichese script has been found up to date.   VMBOK phase 1 - rev. 11.12.2016 (last approval 11.12.2016) Posted by: Anton - 25-10-2016, 10:58 PM - Forum: Positions we can agree upon - No Replies Why does heraldry fail? Posted by: R. Sale - 25-10-2016, 05:46 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (47) What are the the reasons that heraldry fails, or succeeds, as a method of interpretation in the VMs Zodiac and as a historical validation for the significance of Stolfi's markers in f71r?   1475? Posted by: stellar - 25-10-2016, 12:45 AM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (2) This image is weird from what I pulled from the voynich manuscript f28v.  Could this indicate the Voynich was produced in 1475?  There is a place mark below 4 and 1 and would that indicate shift?  Is this found in other manuscripts from that time with that marker as a shift indicator? First Previous Next Last