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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 581 online users. » 11 Member(s) | 565 Guest(s) Applebot, Baidu, Bing, Google, Yandex, daviddecker, eggyk, Gregor, Malatin_1, N._N., rikforto, Stefan Wirtz_2 Latest Threads [split] Voynich 2026 Conf... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: rikforto 15 minutes ago » Replies: 36 » Views: 541 Vampires in the Voynich m... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Tabaziclon 1 hour ago » Replies: 40 » Views: 21,637 The 'Chinese' Theory: Fo... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: rikforto 3 hours ago » Replies: 669 » Views: 165,603 Reading temporal cycles i... Forum: Astrology & Astronomy Last Post: Linda 3 hours ago » Replies: 2 » Views: 1,168 Interchangeable ch/sh and... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: ololololo 3 hours ago » Replies: 53 » Views: 1,619 Did the scribes copy the ... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: ololololo 3 hours ago » Replies: 13 » Views: 664 Could the Voynich Manuscr... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: ololololo 3 hours ago » Replies: 30 » Views: 1,587 Possibility that the VM a... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: agalakhov 3 hours ago » Replies: 2 » Views: 802 The Lullian Apophatic Mac... Forum: Theories & Solutions Last Post: agalakhov 4 hours ago » Replies: 22 » Views: 3,678 How to read marginalia on... Forum: Marginalia Last Post: oshfdk 4 hours ago » Replies: 5 » Views: 77

Udine Herbal - ms Joppi 1161 Posted by: MarcoP - 11-05-2017, 11:04 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (7) This illustrated herbal was written in Veneto in 1450 ca. Digital images can be seen You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The ms was stolen in 1992 and recovered in 1995, but the thieves removed 6 folios that are now lost (documented in older black-and-white photographs). A facsimile edition was published in 2007 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Editors: Caterina Barbon and Roberto Benedetti, Publisher Vattori). The essays in the 2007 book only briefly discuss the relationship between this herbal and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. A paper and a thesis by Micol Duca are mentioned: her hypothesis is that the Vermont and Udine herbals are both copies of a lost original written in Tuscany. Roberto Benedetti also points out some errors in the text of the Udine herbal that do not appear in the text of the Vermont herbal. Comparing the illustrations, it is clear that those in the Udine herbal are more detailed and more accurately painted than those in the Vermont herbal. For instance, in Vermont img.22 “Herba Imorio Chiarissima” has two large green leaves; these leaves were color-annotated “rossa” (red). The corresponding illustration in the Udine herbal (img.56) has two large blossoms or fruits, painted red and with a “scaly” pattern that was also lost in the Vermont ms. When comparing this herbal with the Voynich ms, a feature that seems common to both is the use of roots with only a few large “branches” which are arranged in such a way that they suggest a vaguely anthropomorphic shape. The same roots can also be observed in the Vermont herbal (sometimes obfuscated by the heavier painting). Attached Files   Rosso_56.jpg (Size: 83.42 KB / Downloads: 225)   udine_roots.jpg (Size: 140.08 KB / Downloads: 412)   marginalia: was it personal? Posted by: peteb - 10-05-2017, 12:32 AM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (8) I have read accounts where medieval scribes transcribing a manuscript have added their personal thoughts as marginalia, not only that, but substituted more familiar words for those they could not understand. Is this old news?   Vegetable beast. Late echoes of Voynich style? Posted by: Diane - 09-05-2017, 12:58 AM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies Found this in the Dumbarton Oaks collection.  It's a book published in  1723, but all the same.. You can see the plate and the book's catalogue entry in full at the Dumbarton Oaks site You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  The way the site is set up prevents hot-links, so I've had to post it to voynichimagery and link from that. Michel Angelo Tilli et.al., Catalogus plantarum horti Pisani. Published in Florence in 1723. Includes two folded leaves. Full .   Tarot imagery and such Posted by: Diane - 08-05-2017, 01:15 PM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (4) Please, now... everyone stay CALM. As Marco will know, I expect, there is astronomical imagery within the medieval paintings set on card, as well as in contemporary paintings on walls or in manuscripts. Now, for various reasons, not least then-current fashions, we also find images relating to those put on card in other media.  It is mainly studies of those other media which have produced the more scholarly books and papers. But to consider paintings put on card, as on paper, during the fourteenth- or fifteenth- century is not an outrageous thing to do, even if the pictures were used for playing games, or .. whatever. Even prognostication. One of the picture-cycles which has shown some clear iconographic links to images on cards (not only the shorter, tarot deck but the larger tarocchi) are those in the Shifanoia at Ferrara.  And the d'Este were the ruling family there. Another - which Aby Warburg spoke about in about 1912 - is in the old Meeting Hall in Padua. Often distinguished by being called 'il Salone'. Which is a pretty long introduction to a picture of a lobster.   Ercole D' Este Tarot Voynich Glyph Symbols found Posted by: coded - 08-05-2017, 03:04 AM - Forum: Astrology & Astronomy - Replies (10) I found a reference for a tarot card from Edith Sherwood's' site and I guess this should go in astrology!  The tarot card is similar to f67r2 and it's Ercole l D'Este's card. Oringinal Ercole D'Este full Tarot Deck link. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   f101v1 Palma Christi? Posted by: MarcoP - 06-05-2017, 10:08 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2) In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., Rene Zandbergen has proposed a parallel between manuscript illustrations of the Palma Christ (hand of Christ) orchid. Most manuscripts represent the root of the orchid as a single hand, with its finger at the bottom. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (second half of the XIV Century) represents the root as four hands, with fingers pointing to the right and left. In my opinion, one of the plants in Voynich You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be a similar (smaller and simplified) illustration of the same plant. Attached Files   Palma_Christi.jpg (Size: 112.44 KB / Downloads: 153)   Sun text f68r2 Posted by: Emma May Smith - 04-05-2017, 07:15 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (9) I would like the opinions of others on the text round the sun on f68r2 (the bottom roundel). I think that most of the words are easily readable, but the last three are interesting and not clearly Voynichese. I would transcribe the roundel text: [okey okoaiin okol oky oeeeo r *key okeeol  *** * ****], with the last three words unreadable. Some transcribers give the third to last word a reading of [cheo] and the following word [o], but I think even these are suspect. Just bad penmanship, or something else?   Sun text f68r2.jpg (Size: 134.9 KB / Downloads: 246)   [Trinity] Questions about Trinity MS script Posted by: Koen G - 03-05-2017, 09:50 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (57) I've got some questions about the script: - Does r sometimes look like 2 depending on the following vowel? And can this same 2 in isolation be used to mean "and"? - When this "2" is merged with a "4", what does that mean? - Does a superscript "u" just mean I have to insert it? For example "2 qtanarus" with a "u" on top of the q. - I take it that a "9" as the end of a word is a generic ending marker. Is it correct that in the names of plants we can't really be sure what this is? For example, a "Greek" name for a plant is "lamb9". This could be lambis, lambus, lambos, lambes...?   If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! Posted by: coded - 01-05-2017, 11:49 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (122) First off, here is the site that got me started on the cipher.  I admit I have a long ways to go but, I think the VMS corpus was built on a cipher text of words using alberti's cipher disk; with this cipher I have uploaded to you all.  But of course reading a sentence is another thing.  The VMS letters can be woven into sometimes what I see several Latin letters.  The most I have is 3 VMS letters hanging off a Latin Letter. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I hit the alchemy section hard and Koen had me thinking for a Month on about how this could be fire, share a plant and a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. all at the same time.  The plant is a Venus fly trap f102v2 and they are resistant to fire, somewhat. Anyway on to the cipher!   You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Here are some cipher text words which will make mostly Latin words from the voynich ms and some astronomy words too.  Don't forget to input the inner wheel and outer wheel exactly as this one, also remember the 3 numbers on the picture, initial shift 19, Period increment 1 and Period Length equal to 5.  If you don't do this exactly your input cipher text words will not read Latin. Large Outer Ring:  ABCDEFGILMNOPQRSTUXZ1234 Small inner  Ring:  zbemdgpfcn&rotusvxylhaiq initial shift=19 Period increment = 1 Period Length = 5 (cipher text latin words) lnlq lnlbp lnio& &pme fmqeg lonebhz rlonor (Astrology Page f67r2) lneqrmr rlonqh bqdegm anlhhh mqlq egrlaoh mehnlp &apnfm &lberohz alfnqh lcolnmm fe&aer You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Indo Aryan Origins of Voynich .. ? Posted by: peteb - 28-04-2017, 05:22 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (46) Good afternoon Has this been discussed here?  The possibility that the Voynich 'language' has roots that stem from the dialects of the Indian sub-continent. First Previous Next Last