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| Voynich Manuscript Latin Translation |
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Posted by: stellar - 29-02-2016, 04:06 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I went ahead and published a book titled, "Voynich Manuscript Latin Translation". I discuss my project in this video and at the end provide and easy Voynich decoding game. Have a look and if you buy the book present your feedback here. Thank you!
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| Big Red Weirdos |
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Posted by: VViews - 26-02-2016, 01:34 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Hi everyone,
Because we don't know what the red weirdos on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are, I wasn't sure whether to put this thread in the text, imagery or marginalia sections, so I am posting it here.
I'm starting this thread so we can share our views about these, because whatever they are, they seem important, since they are on the very first page and have been made so very noticeable by the author.
Also, it seems that the one on the upper right side of the page has received rather less attention than the other two, although to me it might just be the most interesting one, because of its position and because it doesn't bear much similarity to the other two.
Here's a page made by Knox, which provides quite a few comparisons as well as links to various sites where they have been discussed in the past:
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That was two years ago...
I'm curious to hear what views the forum members may have about what the weirdos are or look like, and whether perhaps we might gather any new insight into them.
Any thoughts?
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| Voynich text generator |
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Posted by: Torsten - 25-02-2016, 10:52 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hello,
I have published the app "VoynichTextGenerator" for iOS. The App is available via the Apple app store (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
The app illustrates my hypothesis about the Voynich manuscript. With this app it is possible to generate text with features similar to that of the VMS.
The text generation algorithm works in two main steps. The first step is to choose a source word and the second step is to modify the selected word.
There are three different ways for modifying a source word.
The first method is to replace a ligature or glyph with a similar one. I will demonstrate this with 'chol' as example. The word 'chol' consists of a ligature 'ch' and a ligature 'ol'. It is possible to modify both ligatures. By changing 'ch' into 'sh', a new word 'shol' would be generated and by changing 'ol' into 'or' a new word 'chor' would be generated. It is also possible to change both ligatures at the same time to generate words like 'shor' or 'shal'.
The second modifying method is to add a prefix like 'l', 'o', 'd', 'ch' or 'q'. For adding a prefix in front of another prefix some special rules exist: If for instance a prefix 'l' or 'o' is added in front of the glyphs 'ch' or 'd', these glyphs in seven out of ten cases change into a gallow glyph. This way a prefix 'o' added to a source word 'chol' would result in words like 'okol', 'otol' or 'ochol'.
The third method is to combine two short words for generating a new word. For instance 'chol' could be combined with 'daiin' to generate a word 'cholkaiin' or 'choldaiin'. For glyph sequences containing only two glyphs it is also possible to combine the sequence with itself. For instance it is possible to combine two 'ol' words in order to generate a self-similar word 'olol'.
Torsten Timm
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| The missing folios 59-64 |
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Posted by: ReneZ - 24-02-2016, 08:14 PM - Forum: Physical material
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Sometime after Voynich's death Theodore Petersen got a set of photostats of the Voynich MS to work with. In 1935 he wrote to E.L.Voynich (ELV) that there seemed to be some folios missing in his copy, and could he please get copies of folios 59r to 66v.
She answered that this was not entirely possible, because folios 59 to 64 were actually missing in the MS.
Petersen then pointed out that in Newbold's book there was a list of missing folios which did *not* include this range.
This prompted ELV and Anne Nill to search, and they reported that somewhere in Voynich's correspondence there was a collation of the MS that equally did not include these folios.
The same discrepancy was noted again in one of the modern Voynich MS fora, and again the conclusion was that Newbold had probably made a mistake. The correspondence of the 1930's isn't accessible online, so largely unknown.
The case is really settled by a codicological observation made by conservators looking at the MS in November 2014, namely that it would have been impossible to remove such a stack of bifolios from the MS without compromising the stability of the book. The present stitching (which is centuries old) was certainly made with the folios already missing.
So, one point settled, Newbold's table was wrong.
But it still leaves some interesting questions.
Note that the folio numbers have been written on the MS with the foldouts completely folded in, which causes them to appear in several cases on the verso side of the folios. It looks as if this foliation was added to the bound codex. (But this is not necessarily so).
Whoever added the folio numbers must have known that there was a gap of exacly 3 bifolios between 58 and 65. The number 3 is not at all logical, as it makes it the first quire in the MS that does not have 4 but 5 bifolios.
It could not have been a guess. (Most of the other missing folio numbers could have been guesses).
There is really no other option than that the now missing folios were there for him to see (and probably add his foliation).
All of this means that the folio numbers were added *before* the MS was bound in its present form.
Now onto speculation.....
Were the numbers added to a bound codex, or to a loose pile of leaves? That second option doesn't seem sensible for several reasons, for example the above-mentioned point that the numbers were added on the foldouts when they were folded in.
Now if the MS was already bound before, while the presently missing pages were still there, in this earlier binding the folios were equally in the wrong order, as far as we can tell from all the evidence.
That would mean that the MS could have been (re-)bound even three times....
If we don't like that idea, an alternative is that the foliation was added right at the time of the first binding of the MS, while the correct page order was already unknown, and several of the folios were removed at the last minute.
While that seems a bit contrived, this largely fits the description of one of the books in Rudolf's Kunstkammer catalogue, which says in my tentative translation:
In folio, a philosophical old handwritten book (or written in old style) with illustrations, and a copy [font=Times New Roman]written on parchment of (by?) Mathes Dörrer, unbound, and not fully collated, and of which Mr. Haydn has removed a few leaves by order of his majesty[/font]
Like I said, this is speculation. What is certain is that the foliator must have known that folios 59-64 (and 109-110) existed, and the foliation was added before the present binding.
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