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f80r top nymphs Posted by: Koen G - 01-05-2016, 12:02 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (64) In another thread, Marco mentioned that the item carried by one of the nymphs has been identified as a spindle. This made me explore the image, and I tried to match it to known stories involving spindles or spinning/weaving in general.  I think these nymphs tell the story of Philomela, as told by Ovid. It starts when Philomela is violated by the king, who then binds her hands behind her back using her long hair: I've written a blog post about it, matching the entire sequence of figures to this story as told by Ovid. I would, of course, like to know what you think You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   Multispectral Images Posted by: -Job- - 28-04-2016, 08:08 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (9) In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. by Stephen Bax he discusses a set of multispectral scans performed by Lazarus Project Imaging. Are these scans available?   Discussion of Yulia May's proposed solution Posted by: -JKP- - 27-04-2016, 10:35 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (70) (27-04-2016, 06:42 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An analysis of the text of the Voynich and a proposed partial solution by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The document in English can be downloaded from her website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. A Russian language version of the document is available You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Thanks for posting the link, David. As I see it (I worked through the translation), the "method" consists of taking the glyphs that look like traditional Latin abbreviations and expanding them into unabbreviated Latin, and then assigning a variety of letter possibilities to the other glyphs. I've long said that the abbreviation shapes are traditional Latin but that the meaning behind them may not be. The problem with interpreting it as Latin is that the STRUCTURE of the VMS text does not follow traditional Latin structure even if the glyphs are shaped and placed in a similar way and even if the person deciphering it builds extra flexibility into it by allowing specific shapes (the ones in between that are not shaped like Latin abbreviations) to have a variety of meanings, as well... Taking May's translation for Plant 1v as an example... It includes: hot skeletons brought together, sloping ground and gurgled kisses, vanity, beehives, condensing great burdens, songs, warnings... These subjects don't appear to relate to each other in any discernible way even if we assume the text has nothing to do with the plant drawing. A lot of effort obviously went into this, but looking at May's translation, it comes out like many translations, with a dozen different chunks of subject matter unrelated to each other on the same page (even if you choose the alternative word that seems to work best in relation to the others) and there's no perceivable grammatical coherence, not even the note-style coherence that one sometimes sees in herbal manuscripts, for example (where they jot down characteristics, uses, recipes, etc., without a lot of verbs or joining words). I'll look at it some more this evening when I have time to give the "Latin" a better read to see if there's anything in that jumble. Unfortunately, I have to run (as usual, I have deadlines).   What happened between the manufacturing of the MS and Baresch? Posted by: Koen G - 27-04-2016, 03:09 PM - Forum: Provenance & history - Replies (19) This is something I find very intriguing, but I think we'll never know the answer. So this is a purely speculative thread.  Is there any part of the time line we know for sure?  And if we speculate, what are some likely ways the MS could have ended up in Prague? Which areas has it likely travelled through? And how come that not even two centuries after its creation people didn't have any idea about its provenance?   Medieval page references Posted by: lelle - 27-04-2016, 11:12 AM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography - Replies (13) Nick Pelling argues both in his blog (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and in his book (the curse of the Voynich) that the aiir/aiiv -groups in the vms might be "fake" medieval page references. I have never encountered any page references looking anything like the aiir/aiiv groups in any medieval texts. How did one provide page references in the 15:th century? Does anyone have examples to share of page references looking anything like these groups?   Thanks! [url=http://www.ciphermysteries.com/2011/02/16/why-the-voynich-manuscript-is-a-ciphertext][/url]   More about NEBULY LINES Posted by: R. Sale - 26-04-2016, 07:34 PM - Forum: Imagery - No Replies I wanted to post a new tread and have as many readers as possible looking for additional examples. In postings #30 and #31 (It's bigger.) of the thread 'Those umbrella/pinecone things', MarcoP has posted an illustration: Vatikan, Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana, Pal. lat. 412, Wynandus de Stega, Adamas colluctancium aquilarum — XV Century. This illustration has an example of an elaborated nebuly line across the middle. Now, for those who have followed this line of investigation, there are a number of good examples of elaborated nebuly lines in blue and white to represent a cloud band. And those who have examined the details of how these patterns were drawn will see a line that is generally smooth and undulating. Now contrast this with the illustration above, where the line that is used to compose the nebuly line is very jagged. In terms of heraldic examples, this line is mostly of the engrailed / invected type, with small sections that are much like the wavy definition. Now compare this with the detailed construction of the elaborated nebuly line in the VMs Central Rosette. The description of the line composing the nebuly line has to be that it is of the engrailed / invected type, with small wavy sections. It is the same! It is unusual. Is it unique or not? More evidence appreciated. Wynandus de Stega, the Latinized version of Winand von Steeg, a German cleric, (1371-1453) - no difficulties there.   Forthcoming book and digests on academia.edu Posted by: Diane - 24-04-2016, 08:27 PM - Forum: News - Replies (15) I have put the publisher's "blurb" for the essay on folio 86v (Beinecke foliation 85v and 86r) on academia.edu. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. This is one of nine essays to be published in the book, seven (including the essay on the map) are already in the hands of the publisher.  The essay included, but expands upon what I've offered online in almost thirty detailed studies since 2011, twenty-six of those shorter articles available through voynichimagery.wordpress.com. The essays, with index and bibliography is due to be completed by end of this year, pending permissions for the large number of illustrations required. As always, I am concerned to properly acknowledge precedents, whether or not I consulted them, and am happy to receive emails at voynichimagery ... gmail   The "4 Ages of Man" Folio Posted by: VViews - 23-04-2016, 08:41 AM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (56) Hi everyone, Discussions in the Ladies with Rings thread often connected to the imagery on f85r2 aka the Four Ages of Man folio. So I'm starting this thread to look more in depth at the figures depicted in it, the general structure of the page, etc. To start things off, here's an image of St Anthony holding similar attributes to the "old age" figure at the bottom of the wheel: From Officium parvum Beatae Mariae Virginis ad usum Ecclesiae Romanae, France (Picardie?) 1450-1457 Polish National Library Rps 8004 II, f119v.   Erik Kwakkel about the Voynich MS Posted by: ReneZ - 22-04-2016, 08:14 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - No Replies In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  I referred to the highly interesting blog(s) of Erik Kwakkel of the university of Leiden (NL). In case anyone is wondering if he knows about the Voynich MS, do have a look You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  .   Apart from his perhaps not so positive appraisal, the page contains a lot of most interesting stuff.   To what extent do the large plants and small plants match? Posted by: Koen G - 18-04-2016, 06:30 PM - Forum: Imagery - Replies (2) Several people have brought up this question, pointing to its importance for a variety of reasons, most recently Anton You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  To me this is an open question, so I would like to hear what others think. I'm at home in the small plants section, but have spent little time comparing them with big plants so far. - I do remember having read in D'Imperio's book that she had a team of determined students trying to match the plants, without success. - There are more small plants than big plants. So what are your ideas about this? And what could the amount of matches/mismatches mean? First Previous Next Last