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| An Allegory of Salvation (Koen Gheuens & Cary Rapaport) |
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Posted by: Koen G - 17-06-2021, 03:38 PM - Forum: News
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I just published a post I've been working on together with Cary for the last couple of months. It took a lot more involvement, research and late night writing sessions than usual, but we are happy with the result. We believe it opens up a new, coherent avenue of investigation into the manuscript's images.
If possible, please read it when you have some time to spare, since it turned out much longer than my usual posts (more like an article).
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| A schematic and inventory of Herbal A pages, in their current state |
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Posted by: RenegadeHealer - 08-06-2021, 05:24 PM - Forum: Physical material
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Just in case anyone might find it useful, here's a schematic I made a while back of all quires that contain Herbal A folios. Please feel free to correct any mistakes I might have made.
- The view is the top edge of the parchments head-on, stacked before folding and [their most recent] binding.
- For folios on the left side of the diagram, the recto side is toward the top of the page and the verso side toward the bottom. The reverse is true for the folios on the right.
- The dashed lines indicate bifolios currently bound in the same quire that are not Herbal A.
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Q1
1—^—8
2—^—7
3—^—6
4—^—5
Q2
9—^—16
10—^—15
11—^—14
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Q3
17—^—24
18—^—23
19—^—22
20—^—21
Q4
25—^—32
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27—^—30
28—^—29
Q5
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35—^—38
36—^—37
Q6
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42—^—47
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44—^—45
Q7
49—^—56
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51—^—54
52—^—53
Q8
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58—^—65
Q15
87—^—90i—90ii
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Q17
93—^—96
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A few stats, none new, but all worth noting here:
- 25 Herbal A bifolios. This includes the now missing first half of 12-13. Also, 87-90 is technically a trifolio with six pages instead of a bifolio's four. Conveniently, these two extra plant images are matched by the absence of any plant images on 58, giving a total count of:
- 100 Herbal A plant pages
- Q1~3 are homogeneously Herbal A
- Q4~8 are heterogeneously Herbal A, admixed exclusively with Herbal B
- The first 8 consecutive quires all contain Herbal A bifolios
- Only two Herbal A bifolios occur outside of the first 8 consecutive quires: the 87-90 trifolio in Q15, and 93-96 in Q17.
- With the omission of any single bifolio, all the rest of Herbal A would fit neatly into six quires of four bifolios each
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| specific names of the siglum used on SH |
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Posted by: Davidsch - 02-06-2021, 11:22 PM - Forum: Codicology and Paleography
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Names of the scribal sigla that were in use by medieval scribes are often referred to as glyphs, marks or
Tironian notes, which is a general term and does not refer to a specific symbol.
So there are for example: the breves (ĕ), acutes (ó), apices (u᷄), the thorn, the rotunda, ampersand, etc,
But what is the name referring to the curl that is used on the CH to become SH?
If there is no name, can we agree on a name for it?
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| The quire numbers |
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Posted by: arca_libraria - 01-06-2021, 12:23 AM - Forum: Marginalia
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away - or more precisely, in 2015 on the Cipher Mysteries blog, Nick Pelling made a post about the quire numbers in the VMS and his observation that they have an unusual format has lived in my brain ever since.
This is the blog post: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Ever since I read that blog, whenever I browse through a manuscript I take a moment to scan for quire numbers in the hope that I might see a quire-counting system like it, and I have never found a good match. Nick has a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and at the time he suggested that there might be four different scribes who wrote or emended the quire numbers. I am not sure if I agree that 4 different people wrote or emended the quire numbers, but I agree that there is a lot of variation in both the numerals and the grammatical endings and it is worth keeping in mind that these variations exist.
As the quire numbers are believed to have been added after the VMS had been rearranged at least once, the quire numbers probably(?) represent the work of later owners or librarians rather than the work of the original scribes of the VMS, but I was hoping that we could use this thread to share similar quire numbering formats if we ever find any as it might help to identify some of the subsequent owners or users of the manuscript.
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| Heraldry as a Research Topic |
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Posted by: R. Sale - 21-05-2021, 08:12 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Heraldry clearly has significant relevance to several areas of VMs investigation. Obviously, the cosmic connection shows that a nebuly line indicates a cloud band, which can represent a cosmic boundary in medieval art. Medieval heraldry supplies the name and structure / definition of the nebuly line. Surely the image of the VMs cosmos tells us that this information is contained in that illustration. Heraldry expands the interpretation of the VMs drawing and the use of any other descriptive term for this line, meandering, wobbly, serpentine, etc., provides a connotation that leads in an erroneous direction. That is cultural information derived from medieval heraldry that was known to the VMs artist.
There are various heraldic shield patterns on the tubs of the outer ring of VMs Pisces.
Another heraldic representation is found on VMs White Aries. Though visually conflicted, there are two clear, ideological, heraldic elements: red hats and blue stripes. History reveals the singular situation of the Fieschi popes. The White Aries illustration clearly has a single figure in the inner circle with both attributes. Heraldry defines the attributes and it identifies historical persons. Heraldry is the pictorial language used in the VMs. What more does it tell us about purpose?
As a language, it needs to be read. It needs to be promoted, not ignored - included as a topic of research, not omitted.
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| My suggestion about MV (continuation #2) |
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Posted by: rasiratros - 21-05-2021, 07:05 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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First of all, I would like to greet all the forum participants. I immediately apologize for my english, this is not my native language. There are many difficulties on this forum, one of them for new researchers is that they cannot use all the information that was already discussed here a long time ago.[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Also, many are afraid that if they express their idea, someone will take advantage of it and take it away.[/font][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]But at the same time, do[/font] not be afraid to publish ideas, because in the future a sufficient amount of evidence may be collected that can help determine the authorship of the MV (i hope). I think, it is the main idea of what we are doing here.
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]I decided to switch to encoding text in mv for now. understand, how the author could do this.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to my opinion,very similar to circular encoding map. for example, if you divide this circle into 4 circular sections, you can see the starting coordinates.it is a pity that I am an amateur in decoding, and began to think how to approach this. in photoshop I split the map into 4 layers and each one started to rotate.[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]
I support the theory of adding meaningless text (signs), I came to the conclusion that this map could be used for this. in the first experiments I found "additions" which are often found in the text, endings and parts.[/font][/font][/font]but all this is not so important yet, because the algorithm, if any, has not yet been found. I turned to the Alberti cipher, Francis Bacon. (My theory is still unshakable about the author Cornelius, who was a student of Trithemius. In the fifth book of the Polygraphia series, published in 1518, he described a cipher in which each successive letter is encrypted with its own shift cipher). it all seems similar to me, but I have not yet been able to give birth to something specific. I was interested in the third circle from the center. 17 characters, repeated 4 times. this may give the idea of dividing the turning moment into 4 parts. it may also indicate an additional mechanism that could complement the map itself. and it seems to me that in VM this is a shematic drawing of a real code map, that a person used.
this gif is an example, in my use all layers move.
I am very poor at parchment binding and moving pages in mv, but the number 5 at the bottom of the page can be an interesting piece of evidence. map in VM, presented immediately after the herbarium, and what if it was presented before the herbarium, and folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was at the beginning of mv. I did not see in the drawings of the herbarium stylistically that this plant could not be in the initial pages, and the number 5 may indicate a person who again fastened the sheets, and turned this sheet over and put it in the middle. then he re-numbered the entire VM. this small detail may indicate the important position of the map at the beginning of the manuscript.
I want to note that there are empty paragraphs on the first page f1r . otherwise, in each sample, the length of empty metrics is different. this may indicate a prior knowledge of which additional words can be used to complete the text. and this knowledge can be obtained by looking at or using the cipher card. Thank you for your attention, I hope for your mercy and advice, because we are here to find the truth.
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| [split] Petrus Beckx |
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Posted by: bi3mw - 18-05-2021, 12:19 PM - Forum: Provenance & history
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In the Voynich manuscript timeline appears a Petrus Beckx (No. 8 ). He is unknown to me so far and the search engine has also yielded nothing. Can someone explain me the connection with the VMS more exactly ? There is hardly anything said about him in the video.
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