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| Was the Voynich text generated by using the self-citation-method? |
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Posted by: lurker - 15-09-2021, 02:42 AM - Forum: News
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Klaus Schmeh has published a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about the Voynich manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:Timm’s method involves first creating a few pieces of text and then repeating them many times with changes. This procedure, which can be called “self-citation,” sounds extremely simple, but is apparently able to reproduce many features of the Voynich manuscript text. It also explains the fact that the content of the manuscript has some properties of natural language, but to all appearances is not written in such (thanks at this point to the linguist Jan Henrik Holst, who recently made this clear to me again).
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| Places where swallowtail merlons were depicted or present before ca. 1450. |
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Posted by: Koen G - 13-09-2021, 09:56 PM - Forum: Curated threads
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The presence of swallowtail merlons (aka Ghibelline merlons) on the Rosettes foldout may be an important cultural marker. However, focusing on existing buildings with this type of merlons is problematic, since it is usually hard to find out when the merlons were added. Battlements were often replaced, added or embellished during renovation efforts, and the documentation of this process is often hard to find. In other words, a building that has swallowtail merlons now, may not have had them at the time the VM was made.
Therefore, medieval images of swallowtail merlons may be a more reliable indication. This thread collects such images, and shows the results on a map. The examples are sorted chronologically. If you know any that should be added, please use the discussion thread You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
(Edit 21 Oct: separated manuscript art from other art forms).
Manuscripts:
- c. 1310: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from "Padova, BSV, Cod. 74, fol. 13v." (Venice, see Michelle's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
- c. 1321-1324: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Venice, see Michelle's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
- c. 1324-1331: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Naples)
- 1328-1329: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Naples.) From a group of manuscripts reported by Rene, see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
- c. 1330: Bodleian MS. Laud Misc. 587 fol. 1r. (Venice) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1330 - c. 1340: Egerton 3781 (Genoa) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1330 - 1340: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Naples) (Diane O'Donovan)
- c. 1350: Sarajevo haggadah (Barcelona), see Marco's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- c. 1350-1400: Zibaldone da Canal, MS Beinecke 327 (Venice) (Diane O'Donovan, see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1370: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Venice)
- c. 1370-1400 Tacuinum Sanitatis (Codex Vindobonensis, series nova 2644, fol. 104v. Lombardy) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1370-1380: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Milan)
- c. 1380: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- c. 1385: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Bavaria)
- c. 1385-1390: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Milan)
- c. 1400 Biblioteca Guarneriana (S. Daniele del Friuli) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Florence)
- c. 1400: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- 14th century, heraldic devices found by Marco You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Tirol
- c. 1435: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Lombardy)
- c. 1440: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Lombardy region)
Other art forms:- 1292: stone slab at Castell'Arquato (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- 1295-1299: frescos by Giotto in the Upper Basilica of Saint Francis of Assisi, see Marco's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- 1304: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. fresco by Giotto in the Scrovegni chapel, Padua
- 1320: frescos by Giotto in the Peruzzi chapel, Florence.
- c. 1340: Kapelle St. Maria Magdalena in Dusch (Switzerland) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1350-1360: "Fresco depicting a castle, inside the castle of Sabbionara, Avio, Lagarina Valley, Trentino-Alto Adige, Italy" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- 1390-1395: Castel Roncolo (Runkelstein), Bolzano, Italy (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- c. 1397: Castello del Buonconsiglio fresco, Trento
- 1400-1410: Novacella abbey / Kloster Neustift (see Aga's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- 1400-1450: Fresco in Zwickenberg, Austria; see Aga's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
- 1420-1430: Frescos at Rocca di Vignola
- 1420-1430: church of Tramin/Termeno, Bolzano; see Aga's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
- c. 1437: Ivrea, see Marco's post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
- 1441: Marseiller (Verrayes) Cappella di San Michele
- 1444: painting (?) from Auer, Italy. See You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the next.
- 1446: Rimini, see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Extant buildings:- Castell'Arquato
- Fenis castle
- Locarno Castello Visconteo
- Sirmione castle
- Rhodes fortifications (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
- Pala tower in San Vittore
- Castel Grumello
- Castello Visconti Venosta, Grosio
- Castello di Champorcher
- Castle Foppoli
- Castelgrande Bellinzona
- Castle of Sasso Borbaro
- Montebello castle
- Montmayeur castle
- Blonay Castle
- San Giorio di Susa Castle
- Saint Pierre Castle
- Castello di Castelcorniglio
- You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Sudak Castle
- Porta Soprana (Genoa)
- Castello di Salorno, Haderburg
- Castel d'Enna
- Castello di Caccamo (Sicily)
Castello di Venere (Sicily)
Castello di Sperlinga (Sicily)
Castello di Carini (Sicily)
- Castle of Almeria (Spain)
- Castello di Brescia
- Tour L'archet Morgex
- Porta Palatina in Turin
- Castello di Porta Giovia (Milan)
- Porta Marina in Civitanova Alta
- Piombino castle
- Castelvecchio Verona
- Castel Roncolo / Runkelstein
The map can be viewed here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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| Can Evolutionary Computation Help us to Crib the Voynich Manuscript ? |
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Posted by: bi3mw - 08-09-2021, 06:54 PM - Forum: News
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Daniel Devatman Hromada, 7 Jul 2021
Abstract:
Voynich Manuscript is a corpus of unknown origin written down in unique graphemic system and potentially representing phonic values of unknown or potentially even extinct language. Departing from the postulate that the manuscript is not a hoax but rather encodes authentic contents, our article presents an evolutionary algorithm which aims to find the most optimal mapping between voynichian glyphs and candidate phonemic values.
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| 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? |
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Posted by: Koen G - 03-09-2021, 08:39 AM - Forum: Imagery
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EDIT: This thread has evolved into a collection of images and examples of swallowtail merlons. For more explanation and an overview, see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
The map gathering all our data is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
There are broadly two ways we have generally tried to explain the presence of swallowtail merlons on the Rosettes foldout:
1) Generic architecture: the artist wanted to draw a crenelated wall and a castle, and in his mind this was what they looked like. We have seen examples of this in various manuscripts: swallowtail merlons on an anonymous wall in a manuscript about siege weapons, or in a country where we know they historically did not occur. The artist just drew crenelations like this, and no additional meaning is intended.
2) Specific architecture: this is what people think of when they look for possible candidates to identify the castle: the image is a "portrait" of a building that existed in the 15th century. Maybe the artist wanted to draw his city, or one he knew.
These are usually discussed in neutral terms, i.e. "this is what the building looks like". However, we also know that the so-called Ghibelline merlons were once a powerful political signal, and their appearance would have been far from neutral. Is it possible that some additional meaning was still meant in the 15th century? Since these merlons are some of the only connections we have between the VM and the real world, it might be worthwhile to investigate the possible extent of their meaning. I don't know much about this, so I'll start from the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.:
"The Guelphs and Ghibellines were factions supporting the Pope and the Holy Roman Emperor, respectively, in the Italian city-states of central and northern Italy... During the 12th and 13th centuries, rivalry between these two parties formed a particularly important aspect of the internal politics of medieval Italy."
What remained of this division in the 15th century? There is not much on the wiki, but it is clear that the division was still somewhat relevant. For example as late as ca. 1447-1450 thier rivalry dominated politics in Milan. And ideological differences remained, where Ghibelline factions tended to support the Emperor, while the Guelphs supported the Pope and later also the French.
However, by the very end of the 15th century, the division had become obsolete.
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| Cvetka's Slovenian Theory Thread |
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Posted by: cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 25-08-2021, 05:22 AM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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The Voynich Manuscript consists of normal language used in Slovenia in the 15th century. The examples could be found on my web page Voynich Slovenian Mystery in the long article on the VM grammar. Since then, I have discovered another manuscript with minims shaped with upward flourishes.
The VM is not written in code, but in the language the Stična Codex from 1428-1440, but by a foreign monk from Strassburg.
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| Rightward and Downward in the Voynich Manuscript - Patrick Feaster |
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Posted by: MarcoP - 21-08-2021, 05:53 PM - Forum: News
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Three days ago, Patrick Feaster published You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Like the previous one (discussed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), it is full of observations, data and graphics (that's why reading it took me a few days). Patrick's work is innovative and thought-provoking: not only he computes interesting quantitative measures, but he presents them visually, making his results much more accessible.
For instance, these two graphs are about line-position for words starting with o- and qo-
Words in each line are assigned to one of 10 positions (longer lines will have more than one word for some positions, while shorter lines will not contribute to some positions). In the first plot, the Y axis shows the % of words starting with o- and qo-.
The plot on the right has the same 10 positions on the X axis and shows the o/qo ratio on the Y. It makes visually clear that, in the first half of the line (with the exception of position 2), the two classes of words have similar frequencies; in the second half of the line, the frequency of o- rises, while that of qo- drops, so that the ratio increases steeply.
This research really deserves to be read carefully. But if you don't feel like reading the whole post, examining the graphs and reading the conclusions will give you an idea of Patrick's results.
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| Can statistics help crack the mysterious Voynich manuscript? |
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Posted by: lurker - 21-08-2021, 07:19 AM - Forum: News
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Can statistics help crack the mysterious Voynich manuscript?
Q & A with Claire Bowern
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Quote:Bowern created and taught an undergraduate class to explore the possibilities, which she and post-doctoral researcher Luke Lindemann describe in a recent paper in the Annual Review of Linguistics. She spoke with Knowable about some of their insights. This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.
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| Crinoids |
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Posted by: -JKP- - 20-08-2021, 03:07 AM - Forum: Imagery
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I have over 1,000 unread posts, I haven't looked at my Voynich research for months, I can't read anything right now, but I wanted to quickly post this image because the textures are so Voynich-like:
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They are crinoid fossils, look it up on a search engine to see more of these awesome relics of the past.
Gotta run.
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