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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 27-12-2023, 03:01 PM - Forum: News
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I just received the following message from my friend Ivan Parisi->
Dear Mark
I would like to wish you a Merry Christmas too. I hope that in the next month my new article about the Duke Federico da Montefeltro will be published because I made a very important discovery for the history of cryptography: the Urbinate Latino nn. 948 and 949, two manuscripts that you can see in the digital library of the Vatican Library and which anticipate by 50-70 years the knowledge of Trithemius and Bellaso.
See you soon
ivan
Ivan worked on the Montefeltro conspiracy cipher. And so I guess has an interest in all things Urbino.
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| Reverse DALL-E |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 18-12-2023, 11:48 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Does anyone know of software that will take an image and then create a description of that image in words? (Preferably conforming to some overall format or formula.) Ideally this would be applied to multiple separate drawings of plants; isolating features of each plant and also common features.
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| Experiments with mapping |
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Posted by: dfs346 - 07-12-2023, 08:54 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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When I first started juxtaposing the frequency table of Voynich glyphs with the frequency tables of selected medieval European languages, an experiment naturally suggested itself. This was to take a random page from the Voynich manuscript and map glyphs to letters, one by one from the top of the frequency table to the bottom. This might produce a few recognisable words; or it might not.
I did indeed try a few experiments of this nature, starting with the v101 transliteration as the source document and with medieval Italian (as per the OVI corpus) as the destination language. I did the mapping in Microsoft Excel, which has a convenient “find-and-replace” function. Since Excel tends to treat upper and lower case as the same, I first replaced all upper-case keyboard assignments in v101 with similar lower-case Unicode characters: for example, v101-K became ǩ and v101-W became ŵ.
I also made the decision to replace all occurrences of v101-4o (which I believe is a single glyph) with the Unicode character ④.
Not unexpectedly, these experiments did not yield recognisable words. For example, having randomly selected page f090r1, the first two lines: - goeccoe ④hcoe ④ŵ1o8 1oe9 ǩop / 92oe koy 2coy ④k1oy ④h9 8ayaea
mapped to:- BEROOER CTOER CŵNEL NERA QUEF / APER DES POES CDNES CTA LISIRI.
(In this instance, the v101 glyph ŵ could not be mapped at all, since this glyph is relatively rare, and the medieval Italian alphabet had only 33 letters including accented vowels. So I ran out of Italian letters before I ran out of Voynich glyphs.)
However, later on when I became aware of the Sukhotin algorithm, it made sense to try a variant of this approach, with vowels distinguished from consonants. With the v101 transliteration, the Sukhotin algorithm (as implemented by Dr Mans Hulden’s Python code) identifies the following v101 glyphs as the most probable vowels (in descending order of probability):
(There are six vowels here, but we might need to conjecture that C could be a double c.)
That enabled me to construct another juxtaposition of frequency tables, as follows:
This in turn permitted another series of experiments with mappings, on which I will report in another post.
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| Journals for Voynich Manuscript Decipherment |
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Posted by: Pardis Motiee - 07-12-2023, 06:02 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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When I tried before, about three journals said that it is not in their scope because the method is new. Even now, when I am trying to submit, due to the large number of pages (109 pages in total = 8 pages article + 99 pages for supplementary materials), the editor said that they will not accept any article for review with this number of pages. What journals do you recommend?
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| Strange Horticulture |
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Posted by: Pepper - 01-12-2023, 10:04 AM - Forum: Fiction, Comics, Films & Videos, Games & other Media
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Anybody who likes puzzle games might enjoy this - it includes several nods to the Voynich: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You play a medieval herbalist who must find and identify plants with the aid of Voynich-esque manuscript. Your MS is written in English but the images are often not literal, and the text is sometimes vague. You have to use your plant IDs to mix potions, help customers, and solve a mystery.
I really like these kind of games and found it had a good level of challenge, nice music, and of course the Voynich references made me smile.
For the avoidance of doubt I'm not involved in the game's production in any way, just bought it on Steam and thought other forumites might like it.
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| A Voynich Talk |
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Posted by: Mark Knowles - 30-11-2023, 06:05 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I have been doing a series of presentations on the history of 14th of 15th Century Cryptography in conjunction with the University of Wuppertal and it seems in this context it would not be a bad idea to do one on the Voynich manuscript.
I could do a presentation on my own theory, however I would prefer to do a presentation that is more general and less specific.
Having watched a few general presentations online I have decided what I don't want in my presentation:
1) Much discussion of late history of Voynich manuscript. Whether Anne Nil, Athanasius Kircher, Hans Krauss etc.
2) Lots of Talk about folios and bifolios and quires.
3) Lists of possible theories already discredited by carbon dating. E.g. Roger Bacon, Wilfred Voynich, Edward Kelley, DA Vinci etc.
4) Voynich is pop-culture
OK. So what does that leave us with, if anything?
1)Comparison with other historical herbal manuscripts of the time
2)Comparision with other astrological documents of that time eg. Diebold Lauber
3) Relevant Statistical work
4) Contemporary figures Giovanni Fontana, Ramon Llull
A hard question is how much time to devote to a known/unknown language theory and how to a cipher theory. Given my strong objection to the idea that the Voynich is written in a unknown language or known language in an unknown script maybe I should present that in the talk even if it might seem to show some kind of bias and I can then still leave the door open to that possibility.
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| Why does a gallows character start almost every page? |
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Posted by: Amarfa - 21-11-2023, 11:25 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Ok, so I'm just going to post a few things here to see if the pattern I'm seeing is really there or not. It looks to me as though a gallows character starts almost every page of the Voynich manuscript, and I'm going to cut and paste it along with its accompanying word, if any, to identify similarities and differences. I might not be able to finish the chart in one sitting, but if I put it up here, maybe somebody or some other folks can pick up where I leave off?
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