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Posted by: ReneZ - 04-05-2021, 12:54 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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The main edition in youtube of the 2009 documentary about the Voynich MS, that first announced the forensic analysis results, used to be available via this link:
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Last time I saw it, it had 9.5 million views. This number has increased a bit, but now it appears to be blocked.
This may be a regional issue, so I would be curious if anyone else can still see it?
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| Colors in pharmaceutical containers - casual or meaningful? |
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Posted by: Gab19 - 28-04-2021, 11:17 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Has ever been discussed the possibility that colors on pharmaceutical containers are not purely ornamental but could have a meaning? Personally I think/suppose they could indicate which part of plants are being used in the related “recipe” and, in particular - brown for roots, green for leaves, blue for seeds/berries/fruits. There is also another color - sort of beige, but I’m not sure about that if it has any meaning and if so - which one.
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| The Cardan grille approach to the Voynich MS taken to the next level |
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Posted by: ReneZ - 27-04-2021, 08:09 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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In 2004 Gordon Rugg published a paper in which he proposed that the Voynich MS text is likely to be meaningless, and could have been composed by an alternative application of a so-called Cardan Grille, namely by moving a piece of cardboard with holes over a large table of word fragments, and writing down the words that thus appear.
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| Are Eastern and/or Central Europe a relatively blind spot? |
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Posted by: Koen G - 22-04-2021, 07:55 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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In my experience, there is a difference in availability when it comes to digitized manuscripts, and indeed online resources in general. There are too many German, English, French and Italian manuscripts to view in a lifetime. But outside of the central/western European region, things get a bit more hazy. I could easily name a dozen Italian or French manuscript traditions, among which those that appear the most relevant for the VM. Off the top of my head, I can recall some Czech manuscripts I've seen, and even mailed some Czech libraries to request images, but that's about it.
Now on the other hand, the VM first shows up on history's radar in Prague. So I wonder..
Did I simply not study Eastern and/or Central European regions enough?
Are the most "comparable" manuscripts, like herbals, simply mostly from countries like Italy?
Are there simply fewer manuscripts that were produced east of Germany?
Is it a matter of accessibility? (digitization, literature not in English...)
Do we need to look more towards Eastern and/or Central Europe as a possible context of creation for the VM, or are we best off with the current focus?
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| Is the VM written in Landa Khojki script? |
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Posted by: De1m0s - 18-04-2021, 07:38 AM - Forum: Theories & Solutions
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Hello
Did anyone seen this:
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I read a lot of the translations so far; none of them made me believe, they did it right. But this one could make the break-point.
Anyone here familiar with the described language? Unfortunately, the author in the video did not translate so much.
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| question: white / red roses in ms imagery? |
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Posted by: geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 04:56 PM - Forum: Imagery
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This is simply a question, since I am sure that many people have studied it, researched it, and know much more about this topic than I do:
Can anyone tell me if we can clearly identify any white or red roses in any of the imagery anywhere in the Voynich manuscript?
My reason for asking is probably already obvious to many of you: the white rose and the red rose were the famous symbols of the English House of York and House of Lancaster, respectively, in their feud throughout the 15th century, culminating in the Wars of the Roses. Although the latter wars themselves postdate the apparent age of the Voynich ms parchment, their rivalry and their central place in English (and French!) history in the early 15th century are entirely contemporary with the 1406-1438 range for the dating of the ms parchment. The third and final phase of the Hundred Years' War between England and France, the Lancastrian War, lasted from 1415 to 1453. England controlled much of the territory of northern France in the period 1415-1429 in particular. (I recall one analysis concluded that the month names in Latin letters written on the Zodiac chart pages of the ms were characteristic of a northern French dialect.)
Geoffrey
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| New Blog Post, [imagery] "Sources for the Voynich Forgery" |
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Posted by: proto57 - 15-04-2021, 02:38 PM - Forum: Imagery
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Through imagery comparisons it is sometimes possible to identify the source of illustrations used in the Voynich. This is of course done all the time. The interesting thing is that many times images are "grouped" in one source... that is, several images seem to be copied from one book or manuscript, when none can be found in many other sources. For instance, only three books on microscopy each contain several close comparisons to specific Voynich illustrations; while no good or exact comparisons like these can be found in the vast corpus of other books on microscopes and microscopy.
This of course defies coincidence, especially when those sources... whether contemporaneous to the creation of the Voynich calfskin, or predating it, or post-dating it... are so varied. I mean, even if one discards (as is often done) those sources that defy one's choice of era for the Voynich, and keeps only those acceptable to the observer, it is still difficult to explain how the scribe had access to a wide range of sources, from geographically distant places, created over a large span of time. But if one includes all good comparisons, without prejudice to the time of creation of that source, the problem goes from difficult to impossible, leaving really only one reasonable conclusion.
https://proto57.wordpress.com/2021/04/12/the-sources-for-the-voynich-forgery
On top of that, there is context to the observations. They are not floating around in limbo, disconnected. For each of these comparisons, they have context in the Primer. From the post:
"The list below includes the Primer [1904 Follies of Science in the Court of Rudolf II, by Bolton], and then a selection of other sources for the imagery found in the Voynich. They all have one or more of the below characteristics. Some are direct, specific, and identifiable sources, and others are not specifically identifiable but probable works used as models and influences for the content of the Voynich.
- The item, person, activity can be directly traced back to Follies, the “Primer”, and or:
- The item is in some work, or in a work by some person, mentioned in Follies of Science at the Court of Rudolf II, and or:
- The item in the Voynich is related to the disciplines, activities, and items which would would reasonably expect to be found in the Court of Rudolph II, as imaginatively conveyed by Bolton in his faulty work.
- The item would, by being in the Voynich, fulfill the goal of the forgery, i.e., to look as though the book came from the Court of Rudolf II. That is, there is a reason behind these comparisons, that supports them being correct.
- Multiple comparisons sometimes come from single books as sources, further supporting the correctness of the hypothesis.
The fact that, through Follies, all these images from the Voynich connect to Bolton’s vision of the Court, and to each other, gives them context, and greatly lowers the possibility that any one of them, or all of them, is purely coincidence, paradiolia, or wishful thinking. These connections, to each other, and the Court, strengthen these identifications in the context of my hypothesis."
Since writing this post I've been reminded of the copies of the "Buch der Natur", also with several illustrations which can be reasonably tied to the Voynich, although predating it. I plan on adding this observation to the post today, for I agree this is another likely source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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