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f114r - what happened?
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f114r - what happened?
Rafal > 10-10-2025, 07:23 PM
I've noticed something possibly interesting on the page f114r.
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There is some text of few words which looks like inserted between lines:
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It feels weird to me. If it is a continuation of the previous line then it should start at the left edge but instead it is aligned to the right edge.
It may feel like it was inserted later but I wouldn't say so. Notice that the scribe does a weird thing and goes up with the previous line to make a place for it. I made a sketch of it for you.
So how do you think, what happened here? Was the scribe copying text from another source and realized that he lacks place? But why he lacked space? He was writing from top to bottom afterall so he should have space in the bottom.
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RE: f114r - what happened?
Mark Knowles > 10-10-2025, 07:33 PM
I am curious as to whether the author was writing from top to bottom. It is normal in medieval European manuscripts I think to write words in sequences from left to right, starting at the top and continuing to the bottom. However, this may not be the case in the Voynich. If the manuscript contains real words and filler words it may be that the author wrote the real words in sequence at various locations on the page and then wrote the filler words in the gaps left between the real words. -
RE: f114r - what happened?
Jorge_Stolfi > 10-10-2025, 10:43 PM
(10-10-2025, 07:23 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've noticed something possibly interesting on the page f114r. There is some text of few words which looks like inserted between lines [...] So how do you think, what happened here?
That is line 34 in the IVT file. My best theory is that the Scribe, copying from the Author's draft, accidentally skipped that line (which should have been the final line of the previous paragraph) but did not notice until he had already started the first line of the next paragraph (line 35), up to the word qokChey. As a remedy, he wrote the skipped text line right-justified, as line 34, and then tilted the rest of line 35 to avoid line 34.
I can't think of any other plausible explanation...
All the best, --jorge -
RE: f114r - what happened?
Bluetoes101 > 11-10-2025, 12:41 AM
Hopefully Torsten is in bed, but.. there is no reasonable reason, none, to do this if the text were meaningless.
To me, this is a line the scribe missed, and it is a complete line because it starts with "yt" (a bit wishy washy) and ends with "am" (way more sure).
That probably needs more explanation but, I'm tired and those of you who have studied the text will get it. -
RE: f114r - what happened?
Magical Raven > 11-10-2025, 03:39 AM
I think these are the kinds of things that make us infer that the text contains real content and isn't just a well-crafted farce.Because it is difficult to imagine a scribe adding an annotation or a missing part to something that does not need it because it is an incoherent text. -
RE: f114r - what happened?
ReneZ > 11-10-2025, 07:38 AM
If the scribe was a copyist who did not understand what he was copying, the text may still be meaningless. -
RE: f114r - what happened?
mariaassisf > 11-10-2025, 09:47 AM
Could It be that the stars were drawn before writing the text? And in order to avoid an horizontal disalignment between the star and the paragraph start the scribe would try to squeeze in the remaining text. Drawing them before doesn't seem very wise though, and probably would imply having a draft, to at least give a notion of the amount of text each paragraph had. -
RE: f114r - what happened?
Rafal > 11-10-2025, 12:58 PM
Quote:Could It be that the stars were drawn before writing the text?
I also feel something like this.
1) The scribe was copying text from some kind of draft
2) He drew the stars first
3) In our section he made a mistake and started writing the 2nd line not realising that he has no place for the 3rd line in the section because there is already a drawn star starting a new section
4) He realised his mistake in the middle of the 2nd line and went with the text up to make a place for the 3rd line which he placed aligned to the right because he couldn't do it "normally", aligned to the left -
RE: f114r - what happened?
Hider > 11-10-2025, 01:25 PM
(11-10-2025, 12:58 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:Could It be that the stars were drawn before writing the text?
I also feel something like this.
1) The scribe was copying text from some kind of draft
2) He drew the stars first
3) In our section he made a mistake and started writing the 2nd line not realising that he has no place for the 3rd line in the section because there is already a drawn star starting a new section
4) He realised his mistake in the middle of the 2nd line and went with the text up to make a place for the 3rd line which he placed aligned to the right because he couldn't do it "normally", aligned to the left
The author strictly adhered to grammatical rules.
Where purple arrows are indicated, the author wrote from right to left.
The next paragraph was written from left to right (up to half). Then from right to left.
The green line indicates the horizon.