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Welcome, Guest You have to register before you can post on our site. Username/Email:    Password    Remember me Search Forums (Advanced Search) Online Users There are currently 207 online users. » 11 Member(s) | 193 Guest(s) Applebot, Bing, Google, Gregor, Lissu, magnesium, Malatin_1, Mark Knowles, R. Sale Latest Threads Historical ciphers, when ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Koen G 11 minutes ago » Replies: 8 » Views: 102 An attempt at extracting ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: davidd 38 minutes ago » Replies: 18 » Views: 497 Histocrypt 2025 Forum: News Last Post: Mark Knowles 6 hours ago » Replies: 1 » Views: 85 Special "nymphs" around G... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Koen G Today, 06:52 AM » Replies: 3 » Views: 98 Transliteration-related i... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: ReneZ Today, 03:57 AM » Replies: 35 » Views: 13,505 Getting close to a source... Forum: Imagery Last Post: R. Sale Yesterday, 08:48 PM » Replies: 180 » Views: 17,267 Generally about proposed ... Forum: Analysis of the text Last Post: Ruby Novacna Yesterday, 06:04 PM » Replies: 31 » Views: 2,673 Upcoming Voynich program ... Forum: News Last Post: Koen G Yesterday, 02:07 PM » Replies: 1 » Views: 145 f25v - Corn Plant (Dracae... Forum: Imagery Last Post: Dobri 18-05-2025, 04:05 AM » Replies: 13 » Views: 950 Partial Deciphering of th... Forum: Voynich Talk Last Post: Bluetoes101 17-05-2025, 11:17 PM » Replies: 22 » Views: 1,245

List of "weird" vords Posted by: Rafal - 05-03-2025, 08:58 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (11) I wonder, did anybody tried to make a list of "weird" or "rare" Voynich vords? Mosts of vords are very regular and schematic but there are exceptions which are not so common but not so rare as well. It's probably about 1-5% of words but it's just my guess. What is a "weird" vord is subjective but I'll give you some examples from page f116r: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - llory:  double "l" is rare and weird - amom: "m" in the word middle is rare - ykoloin: bench made of "y" and "o" is rare - qo: "qo" alone is rare - raiin: vord starting with "r" is weird - chll: double "l" is maybe not so rare but still feels weird As I said its subjective and you may agree or not with me that these vords don't fit the grand scheme. But is there any subjective collection of such vords made by someone, possibly with explanation why there were "weird" to him? Patterns in Voynich Script – Could Word Spacing Reveal a Cipher Method? Posted by: pijiko - 04-03-2025, 09:01 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (4) Hello everyone! I’m new here, but I’ve been following Voynich research closely for some time.  I wanted to bring up a specific angle on the text structure that I haven’t seen widely discussed in detail: word spacing as a cipher key. Many traditional ciphers introduce ‘nulls’ or spacing tricks to obscure real content. In the Voynich Manuscript, the spacing between words seems oddly regular, unlike most natural languages. Has there been a deep statistical analysis of spacing patterns between words? Could this reveal a consistent mathematical structure, such as letter grouping similar to polyalphabetic ciphers? Some initial thoughts: If the spaces were artificially inserted, they might divide real meaning differently than we assume. Could word-length frequency distribution hint at a hidden key shift pattern? Has anyone tested whether common ciphers (e.g., Vigenère, Playfair) align better when spacing is ignored or modified? I’d love to hear thoughts from those who have worked with text pattern analysis. Have any previous computational studies looked at spacing as a decryption variable rather than just focusing on letter frequency? Looking forward to your insights!   Lingua Volgare Shorthand Posted by: ginocaspari - 02-03-2025, 11:33 AM - Forum: News - Replies (54) Dear Forum Users, we have recently elaborated on a possible solution proposing lingua volgare written in shorthand. The preprint has been posted on SocArXiv. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The Supplementary Information can be found here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. We are looking for specialists in lingua volgare shorthand to replicate our solution and mitigate our confirmation bias. In our humble opinion, the difficulty of Voynich lies in the layered nature of the problem. We propose that the Voynich is a single substitution cipher applied to a medieval shorthand. The single substitution cipher is algorithmic and reproducible. However, the underlying text is written in shorthand and this is the real issue. Lingua volgare shorthand texts are notoriously ambiguous and even with proper language knowledge, they can remain hard to understand. The shorthand nature of the text is also why the Voynich exhibits such strange statistical properties (namely the low entropy of bigrams). Again, it is crucial to understand that a shorthand displays very different statistical properties in comparison to its source language. We address the entropy problem in a longer explanatory text and we also identify grammatical material. We have reached out to specialists in lingua volgare shorthand personally, in order to allow for a replication by someone other than the authors (Caspari & Faccini). But of course we very much appreciate attempts by lingua volgare experts outside our immediate circle. The explanatory text can be found in the supplementary information section. We use seven criteria established by Prof. Claire Bowern to guide our argument.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Furthermore, we provide a list of 400+ words which can be read in lingua volgare. The words form part of a consistent vocabulary featuring a plethora of terms related to plants and horticulture. All words can be found in the texts of authors roughly contemporary with the creation of the Voynich. Each word in the list of the supplementary information is joined by a remark and context of the word in a source of the time. Often the example sentences feature additional words we also read from the Voynich. Here is the link to the vocabulary list (for convenience we have also supplied PDF files of the same list separated into vocabulary and comments): You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Our proposed solution also identifies agglutinating characteristics of the Voynich including the identification of relative pronouns and articles which we find are key to understanding the mechanisms behind the text's creation. This phenomenon finds frequent correspondences in the lingua volgare manuscripts of the time. We look forward to constructive criticism and a well-informed discussion. Sincerely, Gino Caspari & Agnese Faccini   Full Voynich Solution -- Deceptive Fundraising Posted by: asteckley - 01-03-2025, 03:08 PM - Forum: News - Replies (19) A new Voynich "solution" has just been posted on a Facebook group "Decoding The Voynich Manuscript". It is presented as a complete decoding and accompanying description of the entire Voynich Manuscript produced by  a large language model.  As a data scientist and research engineer who has worked with and developed these AI models, I can assure all that the solution is complete nonsense.  To the extent any of it might be "accurate", it will be a hallucinagenic compilation of the hundreds of observations extracted from all the Voynich enthusiasts' written claims in blog, posts, and books. There is certainly nothing wrong with producing and publishing the kind of document that he has done-- the document is fun to read and is really very entertaining. And it is obvious that his solution does not match the contents of the manuscript. HOWEVER, he has also posted a GoFundMe page to raise funds. I believe this "crosses the line".   (He actually dares to say  " No scams here, just a dream to expand".) Many people, hopeful about these kinds of solutions to the Voynich, may not recognize that the claims within the document are technical nonsense and that it is describing "research" that never really took place. They may believe that the "further work" that he is wanting funds for has some legitimacy and hope. Hopefully, this will be recognized and reported to GoFundMe. His document:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. His GoFundMe page:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Help Getting Started Posted by: euodiaspark - 01-03-2025, 04:31 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (6) Hello! I am just now diving into the Voynich Manuscripts on whim, but I want to solve this mystery. Can anyone help me with how to start working with the text, how to work out the letters, or even just a place that its transposed into text format so that I don't have to look at a bloody subpar photocopy every time I'm working on it? For reference, I have a Chromebook, so any heavy tech used to start solving this won't work, and any installation of tts files or something of the sort won't work either. Thank you so much!   AN OPTICAL APPROACH FOR DECODING THE MYSTERIOUS VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT Posted by: Scarecrow - 25-02-2025, 07:28 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (3) A novel (?) approach from Bucharest university reseacher Costin-Anton-Boiangiu et.al. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The current paper presents several optical approaches used for investigating the decoding of the Voynich Manuscript. Over the past century, there have been numerous decipherment claims, but none of them can be accepted as the true solution. Most of them focus on the syntax analysis of the text, trying to correlate the Voynich text with well-known languages. In the current paper, we present a short history and description of the manuscript, as well as an innovative technique used for attempting its decoding. Our paper presents the use of several optical approaches, such as various distortions, words and character scrambling, in the attempt of correctly identifying voynichese words with the help of OCR    Visual dictionary of the voynich. Posted by: Addsamuels - 25-02-2025, 01:38 AM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (18) Whilst I am deep into text analysis, it would be cool to have a visual dictionary (small images with text underneath) with eva transcriptions so that people could link images to text. Preferably on a pdf/website. Regards,   Feedback on posts Posted by: Addsamuels - 24-02-2025, 10:15 PM - Forum: Voynich Talk - Replies (2) Please rate my posts on text analysis, I'm especially pleased with kmeans3   Q2f14v Secret Writings Posted by: BessAgritianin - 23-02-2025, 08:50 AM - Forum: Marginalia - Replies (45) Who can read what is the secret writing in the letter "P" of Q2f14v ? (copy by courtesy of Jason Davies -"Voyage the Voynich" web page) I have some readings, but would Like to check if I am right. In other words I am in  search of confirmation before I am being rejected (as usually happens). BR: Vessy Attached Files Thumbnail(s)       Words get more unusual as they get longer (from 2 characters) Posted by: Addsamuels - 22-02-2025, 06:33 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text - Replies (5) Jacquard Similarity ===For 1-grams Average 1-gram similarity among least common words: 0.25570049296453057 Average 1-gram similarity among most common words: 0.21682838534999466 ===For 2-grams Average 2-gram similarity among least common words: 0.06423834336923202 Average 2-gram similarity among most common words: 0.06670467758507431 ===For 3-grams Average 3-gram similarity among least common words: 0.016802481467017006 Average 3-gram similarity among most common words: 0.02217942907311669 ===For 4-grams Average 4-gram similarity among least common words: 0.004504037054205818 Average 4-gram similarity among most common words: 0.007278612262000938 ===For 5-grams Average 5-gram similarity among least common words: 0.000987486273694194 Average 5-gram similarity among most common words: 0.0019374143958861578 ===For 6-grams Average 6-gram similarity among least common words: 0.0002422555676235787 Average 6-gram similarity among most common words: 0.0003965759779713268 Levenshtein Similarity Length 2:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 1.8191   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 1.8333   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 1.8115   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 1.7778 Length 3:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 2.6262   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 2.6473   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 2.4744   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 2.4667 Length 4:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 3.4458   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 3.5212   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 3.2308   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 3.1556 Length 5:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 4.1917   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 4.2958   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 3.8141   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 3.8667 Length 6:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 4.8464   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 4.9734   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 4.3154   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 3.9778 Length 7:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 5.4544   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 5.6087   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 4.7000   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 4.5333 Length 8:   Overall average Levenshtein distance: 5.9280   Least common words: (freq = 2) -> Avg distance: 6.1097   Top 40 most common words: -> Avg distance: 5.3397   Top 10 most common words:  -> Avg distance: 5.1333 N.B: Ignored hapax legomena Note this is consistent with natural languages but I believe it is more common in the Voynich First Previous Next Last