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Full Voynich Solution -- Deceptive Fundraising
asteckley > 01-03-2025, 03:08 PM
A new Voynich "solution" has just been posted on a Facebook group "Decoding The Voynich Manuscript".
It is presented as a complete decoding and accompanying description of the entire Voynich Manuscript produced by a large language model. As a data scientist and research engineer who has worked with and developed these AI models, I can assure all that the solution is complete nonsense. To the extent any of it might be "accurate", it will be a hallucinagenic compilation of the hundreds of observations extracted from all the Voynich enthusiasts' written claims in blog, posts, and books.
There is certainly nothing wrong with producing and publishing the kind of document that he has done-- the document is fun to read and is really very entertaining. And it is obvious that his solution does not match the contents of the manuscript.
HOWEVER, he has also posted a GoFundMe page to raise funds.
I believe this "crosses the line". (He actually dares to say "
No scams here, just a dream to expand".)
Many people, hopeful about these kinds of solutions to the Voynich, may not recognize that the claims within the document are technical nonsense and that it is describing "research" that never really took place. They may believe that the "further work" that he is wanting funds for has some legitimacy and hope.
Hopefully, this will be recognized and reported to GoFundMe.
His document:
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His GoFundMe page:
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Koen G > 01-03-2025, 03:42 PM
I honestly hope people don't spend 15k worth of Voynich research money on this guy playing with AI
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tavie > 01-03-2025, 04:05 PM
I've only skimmed, but here are some of the translations for Herbal A...interesting EVA text.
2v
EVA Text:
“chol daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The root of the leaf grew”
“qotol qokeedy daiin qo” → “and the seed rose in the sky”
“qokeedy shol aiin qo” → “The healing moved with the sun”
“shol qokeedy aiin eva” → “and the stem aligned with the stars”
“chol-shol qokeedy daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The guild of the saffron veil harvested this crocus for cures”
3r
EVA Text:
“shol daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The stem of the leaf rose”
“chol qokeedy daiin shol” → “and the root grew in the earth”
“qo qokeedy aiin eva” → “The sky healed with the stars”
“qotol shol daiin qo” → “and the seed moved under the sun”
“chol-shol qokeedy daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The guild of the saffron veil crafted this mandrake for healing”
3v
EVA Text:
“chol qo daiin qokeedy” → “The root in the sky grew”
“qotol qokeedy aiin eva” → “and the leaf rose with the stars”
“shol qokeedy daiin shol” → “The stem healed under the earth”
“qotol shol daiin qo” → “and the seed moved with the sun”
“chol-shol qokeedy daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The guild of the saffron veil used this valerian for rest”
4r
EVA Text:
“qotol daiin chol qokeedy” → “The leaf of the root healed”
“shol qokeedy daiin shol” → “and the stem grew in the earth”
“qo qokeedy aiin eva” → “The sky rose with the stars”
“qotol shol daiin qo” → “and the seed moved under the sun”
“chol-shol qokeedy daiin qotol qokeedy” → “The guild of the saffron veil crafted this angelica for strength” -
RE: Full Voynich Solution -- Deceptive Fundraising
RobGea > 01-03-2025, 04:38 PM
From that doc then the Voynich is completely decoded and now he wants $15k to decode the Codex Rohonczi and other unspecified "undecoded mysteries".
There is a solid proposal for a Rohonc solution by rafal here:
The Voynich Ninja > Library and Research > Pre-Modern Cryptography > My solution of Rohonc Codex
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So that leaves $15k for attempting to decode presumably one or more of these:
Wikipedia > Category > Undeciphered_historical_codes_and_ciphers.
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Now i have not yet read the ' Voynich Manuscript Translation Report: A Human-AI Journey to 100% Decipherment?'
because i got stuck at this point, now i am not too smart but this bit did not make a lot of sense.
Quote:total corpus of 38,000 words, “daiin” (28,500 occurrences, 75%),
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Ruby Novacna > 01-03-2025, 04:45 PM
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asteckley > 01-03-2025, 05:28 PM
(01-03-2025, 04:45 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(01-03-2025, 04:05 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've only skimmed, but here are some of the translations for Herbal A...interesting EVA text.
Thanks, I couldn't open the file. How does doc.google work on android?
The link and google docs should work on android, however I do find it very slow unless using a computer.
I have convinced him remove (at least for now) his GoFundMe page. -
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asteckley > 01-03-2025, 05:54 PM
Hopefully people will recognize that much of his response on the Facebook group is itself AI generated. -
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Ruby Novacna > 01-03-2025, 06:09 PM
I finally managed to download the file. Unfortunately I did not understand how the suggestion of meaning of about ten words allowed the author to interpret the whole manuscript and discover that it was written by "Order of the saffron veil". -
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tavie > 01-03-2025, 06:13 PM
It didn't. The AI has hallucinated not only a translation but also a method and a source text.