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• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Doireannjane > 21-11-2025, 04:11 PM

  I also will add, I say based, not necessarily written in Ireland. This was exploring it being written in Ireland as a possibility (which is still not definitively off the table)

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Doireannjane > 21-11-2025, 05:50 PM

  I have so much to put in this thread so I’m wondering where to start.
  
  Addressing two peripheral things in this post:
  
  1. Firstly, there have historically been Algae blooms in lakes, keys and rivers surrounding Shannon and elsewhere making notably green water, which is depicted.
  
  This corresponds  to the theme of using tubes to purify water (as I have translated with the Alkali Cycle on 83r)
  
  2. Secondly, I’ll also bring your attention to McDermott's castle in Lough Key which has the same very, very particular attributes depicted in the Voynich.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Jorge_Stolfi > 21-11-2025, 06:57 PM

  (21-11-2025, 04:07 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You however just said with certainty that Iron Gall Ink which was used, is not water resistant, when that is a quality it absolutely possesses(whether effective or not).

  
  I said that one of the reasons I don't believe that the ink of the VMS is not iron-gall ink is because the ink of the VMS is not water-resistant, whereas iron-gall ink is.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Rafal > 21-11-2025, 07:50 PM

  Quote:Secondly, I’ll also bring your attention to McDermott's castle in Lough Key which has the same very, very particular attributes depicted in the Voynich.

  
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  McDermott's Castle is a castle and protected national monument located in County Roscommon, Ireland. The site of a fortification since at least the 13th century, the structure's tower house may date from the 16th century, with much of the current building (including its crenellations) dating to the 19th century.
  
  I guess it makes appearance of that castle in VM not very probable.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Doireannjane > 21-11-2025, 07:51 PM

  The ink of the VMS used for the text and figure outlines was iron gall ink. The national tree of Ireland is Sesille Oak, just something to note.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Doireannjane > 21-11-2025, 08:20 PM

  (21-11-2025, 07:50 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Quote:Secondly, I’ll also bring your attention to McDermott's castle in Lough Key which has the same very, very particular attributes depicted in the Voynich.

  
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  McDermott's Castle is a castle and protected national monument located in County Roscommon, Ireland. The site of a fortification since at least the 13th century, the structure's tower house may date from the 16th century, with much of the current building (including its crenellations) dating to the 19th century.
  
  I guess it makes appearance of that castle in VM not very probable.

  
  
  Yes if you continue reading.. it was rebuilt because of destruction. Note the "may date from" in the one single sentence you selected from all of this. Recreation happens a lot with castles. It describes the multiple recreations (not additions/changes) that were made and added throughout the centuries. 
  
  By the early 19th century the castle was in ruin, until architect John Nash was commissioned to redevelop the structure as a summer house or folly.[7][8]
  
  A rebuilt castle featured in the final part of the 1235 conquest of Connacht by Richard Mór de Burgh, 1st Baron of Connaught. The castle came under siege, first by a raft-mounted catapult, and then by fire ships. Cormac MacDermott, King of Moylurg, was forced to surrender. (wikipedia)
  
  There was absolutely a castle standing tall there in the 1400s. Unfortunately no photos.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  rikforto > 21-11-2025, 08:43 PM

  Then with all that history in hand, what separates this castle from the great many others throughout Europe? If nothing else, the history of the building leaves it less than obvious that it looked remotely like the picture in 1400, and therefore even less surely like the drawings in the VMS.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Bluetoes101 > 21-11-2025, 08:55 PM

  "The term "Ghibelline" refers to the historical political faction that favoured the Holy Roman Emperor over the Pope, so Ghibelline merlons were a symbolic representation of this faction's influence."
  
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• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Koen G > 21-11-2025, 09:05 PM

  For reference, this is the result of a collaborative effort on the forum to map the extent of where buildings with swallowtail merlons were found before ca. 1450, with specific attention for the outer borders. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

• RE: The Cliffs of Moher

  Doireannjane > 21-11-2025, 09:08 PM

  (21-11-2025, 08:43 PM)rikforto Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Then with all that history in hand, what separates this castle from the great many others throughout Europe? If nothing else, the history of the building leaves it less than obvious that it looked remotely like the picture in 1400, and therefore even less surely like the drawings in the VMS.

  
  I looked through countless castles from all over. I found one slightly close one in Italy, Montalto Dora and another in Spain. Find me some that look like the drawing, it's very difficult. This particular shape is very unique. 
  
  The words recreate and redevelop are used in the description of the castle's history for a reason. 
  
  I thought it was noteworthy (could just be because I've been successfully translating with Irish though), I can continue on to the plants now.
  

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  (21-11-2025, 09:05 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For reference, this is the result of a collaborative effort on the forum to map the extent of where buildings with swallowtail merlons were found before ca. 1450, with specific attention for the outer borders. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  
  I just looked through all of them and none of them look remotely close to the drawing and very few are near water.
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