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• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Doireannjane > 19-11-2025, 06:27 PM

  (19-11-2025, 05:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Should I open the other thread again?
  
  Before I do though, I want to turn the tables for a moment, which may hopefully explain why people are asking for a more clear, concise presentation of your methods, and why the conversation is sometimes difficult.
  
  Here is the website of Christine Preedy, who claims to have Decoded the Voynich Manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  It's a relatively new theory, still being updated, like yours. She has various pages, TikToks, videos... 
  
  Now imagine she approaches you and asks for feedback, like many people do here on the forum.
  

  • How long would it take you to understand what exactly she is doing? How much effort would this cost you?
    
  • How likely are you to actually do that work and respond?
    
  • How would you compare her theory to yours? How would you decide which one is better? I don't mean in general terms, I mean specifically her theory. What makes your theory better?
    
  • We have argued endlessly with Christine, but she does not respond well to our arguments. What would you tell her to make her realize her theory cannot work?
    
  • Would you still do this even if you knew beforehand that nothing you say could change her mind?
    

  I'm not saying that all of those things apply equally to you, but thinking about this might give you a glimpse of the other side.

  
  So, I'm not going to entertain this for several reasons. Neither of the threads I've created here are about this person or their theory/methodology in any way, shape or fashion. Neither thread that I created are about me comparing myself to another person or their theory and how I would confront their proposal. Why am I being asked to do this?

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Koen G > 19-11-2025, 06:40 PM

  The questions are all about your theory, but seen from the other side. The only way I can do that is by using another theory as a standin, and this one happened to be the first one that came to mind because it's recent.
  
  What does your theory explain that others don't?

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Doireannjane > 19-11-2025, 06:57 PM

  I think Christine's commitment to her theory is commendable. My theory is less of a theory and more of a functional and evidence-based solution that is based in nonstandard, auditory-oriented linguistics that connects logically, visually, auditorily and historically to the script itself and to spoken language itself. It is not based on beliefs or more abstract visual concepts and connections, it is based in written and spoken language we see historically. My solution, through translation alone, provides geographical, floral and mythological evidence for the manuscript. My process can be repeatable and easily communicated and it is precise.
  
  My approach, process, and solution, is human based and very literally grounded in the tangible. 

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  tavie > 19-11-2025, 07:22 PM

  But no one has been able to repeat your results.  
  
  This is a problem with pretty much every solution, and we have only had a fraction of those out there on this forum.  You are doing the work for your system. 
  
  Had you made a real breakthrough, we would be able to follow your system.  Some things might still remain unclear, but in the majority of cases, people's translations using your system would converge around a similar interpretation, and this would get easier the more your system developed.
  
  What tends to happen with solutions is the opposite.  People find their system starts to break down, so they make tweaks...they think "ok, in this case /o/ could mean /a/" but this introduces flexibility.  And this flexibility gets increased more and more as the translation progresses. There are now choices to be made.  Your brain starts doing more of the heavy lifting, instead of the system doing it.  And the problem is that other people trying to use the system don't know how you make those choices. So they make different choices.  Or they feel they can't make a choice and stop.  
  
  There is no reproducibility.  And without that, we cannot confirm a solution.  If we did that, we wouldn't be able to justify not doing the same for most - if not all - of the other solutions.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Doireannjane > 19-11-2025, 07:52 PM

  (19-11-2025, 07:22 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But no one has been able to repeat your results.  
  
  This is a problem with pretty much every solution, and we have only had a fraction of those out there on this forum.  You are doing the work for your system. 
  
  Had you made a real breakthrough, we would be able to follow your system.  Some things might still remain unclear, but in the majority of cases, people's translations using your system would converge around a similar interpretation, and this would get easier the more your system developed.
  
  What tends to happen with solutions is the opposite.  People find their system starts to break down, so they make tweaks...they think "ok, in this case /o/ could mean /a/" but this introduces flexibility.  And this flexibility gets increased more and more as the translation progresses. There are now choices to be made.  Your brain starts doing more of the heavy lifting, instead of the system doing it.  And the problem is that other people trying to use the system don't know how you make those choices. So they make different choices.  Or they feel they can't make a choice and stop.  
  
  There is no reproducibility.  And without that, we cannot confirm a solution.  If we did that, we wouldn't be able to justify not doing the same for most - if not all - of the other solutions.

  
  No one has actually tried or met with me here. I'm not doing the work for the system I've merely articulated. It is without doubt a solution and reproducibility will be recorded. Please note exact identifications of plants and roots and corresponding labels, and meaningful strings of words.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Doireannjane > 19-11-2025, 07:59 PM

  How is what you and Koen done here, not a form of gate keeping this space? I have the least speculative context and contents from the manuscript to offer this forum and I'm being cast out? Seems a little off to me.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Kaybo > 19-11-2025, 08:11 PM

  (19-11-2025, 06:27 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 05:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Should I open the other thread again?
  
  Before I do though, I want to turn the tables for a moment, which may hopefully explain why people are asking for a more clear, concise presentation of your methods, and why the conversation is sometimes difficult.
  
  Here is the website of Christine Preedy, who claims to have Decoded the Voynich Manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  It's a relatively new theory, still being updated, like yours. She has various pages, TikToks, videos... 
  
  Now imagine she approaches you and asks for feedback, like many people do here on the forum.
  

  • How long would it take you to understand what exactly she is doing? How much effort would this cost you?
    
  • How likely are you to actually do that work and respond?
    
  • How would you compare her theory to yours? How would you decide which one is better? I don't mean in general terms, I mean specifically her theory. What makes your theory better?
    
  • We have argued endlessly with Christine, but she does not respond well to our arguments. What would you tell her to make her realize her theory cannot work?
    
  • Would you still do this even if you knew beforehand that nothing you say could change her mind?
    

  I'm not saying that all of those things apply equally to you, but thinking about this might give you a glimpse of the other side.

  
  So, I'm not going to entertain this for several reasons. Neither of the threads I've created here are about this person or their theory/methodology in any way, shape or fashion. Neither thread that I created are about me comparing myself to another person or their theory and how I would confront their proposal. Why am I being asked to do this?

  
  Are you trying to waste our time? Is this a joke or something. I mean, people can't understand what you are doing. If you can't explain your solution in a way that people can understand it, than this all is a waste of time. I can't even say if I think you theory is right or wrong, because I don't understand what you are doing and people asked you to come up with a better explanation and your just gave evasive answers.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  tavie > 19-11-2025, 08:25 PM

  (19-11-2025, 07:59 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have the least speculative context and contents from the manuscript to offer this forum 

  
  
  The people who have produced the other solutions would disagree with this.  That is the point we are trying to make here.  
  
  I'm not sure why you think you have been singled out and subject to gatekeeping.  You have had a thread of almost forty pages worth of discussion, and you yourself requested that this be locked.  So I don't see what the point is in this thread continuing either.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Doireannjane > 19-11-2025, 08:31 PM

  (19-11-2025, 08:11 PM)Kaybo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 06:27 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 05:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Should I open the other thread again?
  
  Before I do though, I want to turn the tables for a moment, which may hopefully explain why people are asking for a more clear, concise presentation of your methods, and why the conversation is sometimes difficult.
  
  Here is the website of Christine Preedy, who claims to have Decoded the Voynich Manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  It's a relatively new theory, still being updated, like yours. She has various pages, TikToks, videos... 
  
  Now imagine she approaches you and asks for feedback, like many people do here on the forum.
  

  • How long would it take you to understand what exactly she is doing? How much effort would this cost you?
    
  • How likely are you to actually do that work and respond?
    
  • How would you compare her theory to yours? How would you decide which one is better? I don't mean in general terms, I mean specifically her theory. What makes your theory better?
    
  • We have argued endlessly with Christine, but she does not respond well to our arguments. What would you tell her to make her realize her theory cannot work?
    
  • Would you still do this even if you knew beforehand that nothing you say could change her mind?
    

  I'm not saying that all of those things apply equally to you, but thinking about this might give you a glimpse of the other side.

  
  So, I'm not going to entertain this for several reasons. Neither of the threads I've created here are about this person or their theory/methodology in any way, shape or fashion. Neither thread that I created are about me comparing myself to another person or their theory and how I would confront their proposal. Why am I being asked to do this?

  
  Are you trying to waste our time? Is this a joke or something. I mean, people can't understand what you are doing. If you can't explain your solution in a way that people can understand it, than this all is a waste of time. I can't even say if I think you theory is right or wrong, because I don't understand what you are doing and people asked you to come up with a better explanation and your just gave evasive answers.

  
  No, I'm not trying to waste anyone's time. I came here to request volunteers to demonstrate repeatability (with me). Very simple lessons. I've found others to help with that. Now I'm on here to engage with other Voynich enthusiasts and further explore my evidence based theory.  I believe I have a solution that is clear and straightforward with clear abundant evidence on and off my thread. How I work is clear to others outside of this forum. I am not a linguist. I genuinely don't know how to precisely use or map out the linguistic fricative/guttural sound graph that was initially requested from me. I explained in my initial post I'm still learning the phonemic notation side and I was slammed with those higher level questions right off the bat.

• RE: Situated in the Cliffs of Moher area?

  Kaybo > 19-11-2025, 09:16 PM

  (19-11-2025, 08:31 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 08:11 PM)Kaybo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 06:27 PM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (19-11-2025, 05:45 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Should I open the other thread again?
  
  Before I do though, I want to turn the tables for a moment, which may hopefully explain why people are asking for a more clear, concise presentation of your methods, and why the conversation is sometimes difficult.
  
  Here is the website of Christine Preedy, who claims to have Decoded the Voynich Manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  It's a relatively new theory, still being updated, like yours. She has various pages, TikToks, videos... 
  
  Now imagine she approaches you and asks for feedback, like many people do here on the forum.
  

  • How long would it take you to understand what exactly she is doing? How much effort would this cost you?
    
  • How likely are you to actually do that work and respond?
    
  • How would you compare her theory to yours? How would you decide which one is better? I don't mean in general terms, I mean specifically her theory. What makes your theory better?
    
  • We have argued endlessly with Christine, but she does not respond well to our arguments. What would you tell her to make her realize her theory cannot work?
    
  • Would you still do this even if you knew beforehand that nothing you say could change her mind?
    

  I'm not saying that all of those things apply equally to you, but thinking about this might give you a glimpse of the other side.

  
  So, I'm not going to entertain this for several reasons. Neither of the threads I've created here are about this person or their theory/methodology in any way, shape or fashion. Neither thread that I created are about me comparing myself to another person or their theory and how I would confront their proposal. Why am I being asked to do this?

  
  Are you trying to waste our time? Is this a joke or something. I mean, people can't understand what you are doing. If you can't explain your solution in a way that people can understand it, than this all is a waste of time. I can't even say if I think you theory is right or wrong, because I don't understand what you are doing and people asked you to come up with a better explanation and your just gave evasive answers.

  
  No, I'm not trying to waste anyone's time. I came here to request volunteers to demonstrate repeatability (with me). Very simple lessons. I've found others to help with that. Now I'm on here to engage with other Voynich enthusiasts and further explore my evidence based theory.  I believe I have a solution that is clear and straightforward with clear abundant evidence on and off my thread. How I work is clear to others outside of this forum. I am not a linguist. I genuinely don't know how to precisely use or map out the linguistic fricative/guttural sound graph that was initially requested from me. I explained in my initial post I'm still learning the phonemic notation side and I was slammed with those higher level questions right off the bat.

  
  I think your theory is either very complex and you lack the skill to explain it or it is not completely thought through, so thats why you can't explain it. You expect from the people here that they put a lot of work into understanding your theory, but they wont do that. What they want is a clear presentation they can follow, not something on youtube and some other parts here in the forum or somewhere else. I think, your main task is to put everything together. I know its a lot of work, but you need to understand that it is for other people even more work to understand what you are doing.
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