Voynich anagramming

[Anton]

No, this is not about plain text anagramming  

I was thinking about Voynichese anagramming.

For example, if we have "otol", then are there occurrences of "loto" or "tloo"?

Are there cases when a vord is an anagram of another vord, and how many?

The VQP has a query for palindromes, but not for anagrams.

[RobGea]

Doable, but the number of permutations is factorial !!!
Ooh cool little trick here to reduce the number here:
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[nablator]

There are a few, like:
ochey - cheoy
olkor - oklor
kchy - chky
dor - rod
dl - ld

[bi3mw]

The occurrence of the variations of "OTOL", there are only variants in longer words:

LOOT -
LOTO 1 lotos
LTOO -
OLOT 1 kolotam 1 olotchedy 1 otoloty 1 roloty
OLTO 1 koltoldy 1 oltoiin 1 otoltopar
OOLT -
OOTL -
OTLO 1 otlol 1 qotlolkal
TLOO -
TOLO 2 otolor 1 otoloaiin 1 otoloaram
1 otolodal 1 otolol 1 otololees
1 otolom 1 otolopaiin 1 otolosheey
1 otoloty 1 qotolo 1 qotolol
1 tolokeedy 1 tolol 1 tolor 1 tolos
TOOL -

[Torsten]

Such words exist:
7 chekody chokedy dcheoky dokechy ekchody kcheody ykechod
6 keeShy keShey kSheey Sheeky Shekey Shkeey
6 cheeky chekey chkeey kcheey kechey keechy
6 chekedy chkeedy dcheeky kcheedy kechedy keechdy
6 chetody chotedy chteody dcheoty tcheody teodchy
5 ekShy kShey Sheky Sheyk Shkey
5 chkoy choky kchoy ychok ykcho
5 cheky chkey kchey kechy ychek
5 cheedy chedey chdeey dcheey echedy
4 chety chtey tchey techy
4 cheoky choeky chokey ykecho
4 dolr dorl drol ldor
...

[Anton]

Thanks!

(I did not mean otol in particular, that was just for example).

[bi3mw]

You mean something like this? ( for example all permutations with "a" at the beginning of the word ):

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adal dala

adar daar dara

adchey cheady

ador arod daor daro doar odar

ady day

aes eas

aiidal daiial

aiidy daiiy

aiiinro oraiiin

aiildy ydaiil

aiinal alaiin

aiinod daiino doaiin odaiin

aiiny yaiin

aiirol olaiir

aiiry yaiir

airal alair

airaldy alairdy

airar arair

airchy ychair

airod dairo dario doair odair

airol oiral olair

airols losair sairol solair

airy yair

ais sai

akar kara

aky yka

alaldy dalaly

alar aral

alcfhy chfaly

alchd chald chdal dchal

alchdy chdaly dalchy

alched chedal

alchedy chedaly ychedal

alcheky chekaly

alchey chealy

alchky chkaly ykchal

alchl chlal lchal

alchol cholal olchal

alchor archol chalor cholar lchoar olchar

alchy chaly

aldaiin dalaiin

aldam dalam

aldar arald dalar daral

ald dal

aldy daly dlay ydal

aleedy ydeeal

alfo ofal

alg gal

alkar karal

alkchdy chykald dykchal kalchdy kchaldy

alkeedy ykeedal

alkeeol olkeeal

alkey ykeal

alkol olkal

alky kaly ykal

alo aol oal ola

alodar daroal oaldar odalar

alod dalo doal odal

alody daoly odaly

aloiiin olaiiin

aloiin loaiin oiinal olaiin

alold dalol olald oldal

aloldy lodaly olaldy

alol olal

alolor olalor

alols olals salol solal

aloly olaly

alom olam

alor arol loar olar oral

alory loary oraly

alos osal salo

alpchdy cphaldy

alshdr lshdar

alshdy dalshy dshaly shaldy shdaly shydal yshdal

alshedy dalshey

alshey shealy ysheal

alshy shaly

als las sal

alsy alys saly

alteol oletal

aly yal

amchd chdam dcham

amchy ycham

amd dam

amod damo odam

amom omam

arals salar saral

archeey ycheear

are ear

aree eear

ariin raiin

arl lar ral

arodl dalor darol dolar doral lodar oldar orald

arodly dalory dolary

arody oydar

aroiin oiinar oraiin roaiin

arolor orarol

arom oamr oram

aro oar

aror orar

aros osar saro soar

aroteey oteeary

ar ra

arshey yshear

ary yar

ash sha

as sa

aty yta

axor oxar

The words are checked against a dictionary ( all words in VMS ).

[doranchak]

I got similar results (attached).

The file shows the anagram count, sorted letters shared by the anagrams, and the list of vords.

Sample output:

15: cdehkoy: [dokechy, dcheoky, okechdy, ykechod, oekchdy, chkeody, ockhedy, dchokey, chokedy, ekchody, ckheody, okchedy, chekody, kcheody, kechody]
10: eehkosy: [okeeshy, sheoeky, shoekey, oksheey, sheokey, ykeoshe, shokeey, osheeky, okeshey, ykesheo]
10: cdehoty: [dcheoty, ctheody, chotedy, tcheody, octhedy, chetody, oetchdy, otchedy, otechdy, chteody]
9: cehoty: [ytcheo, chotey, otchey, eocthy, tochey, cheoty, choety, octhey, otechy]
9: ceehky: [kcheey, ekchey, chekey, kechey, chkeey, cheeky, keechy, ckheey, eeckhy]
9: ceehkoy: [ockheey, okeechy, cheokey, okcheey, chokeey, choekey, okechey, kcheoey, ocheeky]
8: chkoy: [ockhy, chkoy, ykcho, okchy, kchoy, choky, ychok, ckhoy]
8: cehkoy: [ocheky, choeky, cheoky, okechy, chokey, okchey, ockhey, ykecho]
8: cehkloy: [okechly, olcheky, kcheoly, kolchey, olkchey, ycheolk, cheolky, olkechy]
8: adlor: [oldar, dolar, doral, lodar, orald, arodl, dalor, darol]

It would be interesting to compare anagram occurrence in Voynichese with other languages.  Do they occur more/less often?

[nablator]

...

There is a lot more than I thought, despite the "positional rigidity". Interesting...

Yet another paradoxical aspect of the VMS.

[doranchak]

It would be interesting to compare anagram occurrence in Voynichese with other languages.  Do they occur more/less often?

bi3mw
bi3mw's vord dictionary has 8078 entries.
So I looked at an English dictionary and generated anagrams of the top 8078 words (based on word occurrence frequency).
There seem to be far fewer anagrams, and they tend to be shorter (see attached).
There are only 333 distinct sets of anagrams in the English sample, vs 1311 in the Voynich sample.

Sample output:

4: opst: [stop, post, spot, tops]
4: enst: [tens, nets, nest, sent]
4: acers: [cares, races, scare, acres]
3: opsst: [spots, stops, posts]
3: now: [now, own, won]
3: lost: [lots, lost, slot]
3: epst: [pets, sept, step]
3: demo: [mode, dome, demo]
3: deit: [tide, tied, diet]
3: ceenrt: [center, centre, recent]
3: cdeersu: [rescued, reduces, secured]

What other "languages" are as anagram-positive as Voynichese?