No, this is not about plain text anagramming
I was thinking about Voynichese anagramming.
For example, if we have "otol", then are there occurrences of "loto" or "tloo"?
Are there cases when a vord is an anagram of another vord, and how many?
The VQP has a query for palindromes, but not for anagrams.
Doable, but the number of permutations is factorial !!!
Ooh cool little trick here to reduce the number here:
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There are a few, like:
ochey - cheoy
olkor - oklor
kchy - chky
dor - rod
dl - ld
The occurrence of the variations of "OTOL", there are only variants in longer words:
LOOT -
LOTO 1 lotos
LTOO -
OLOT 1 kolotam 1 olotchedy 1 otoloty 1 roloty
OLTO 1 koltoldy 1 oltoiin 1 otoltopar
OOLT -
OOTL -
OTLO 1 otlol 1 qotlolkal
TLOO -
TOLO 2 otolor 1 otoloaiin 1 otoloaram
1 otolodal 1 otolol 1 otololees
1 otolom 1 otolopaiin 1 otolosheey
1 otoloty 1 qotolo 1 qotolol
1 tolokeedy 1 tolol 1 tolor 1 tolos
TOOL -
Such words exist:
7 chekody chokedy dcheoky dokechy ekchody kcheody ykechod
6 keeShy keShey kSheey Sheeky Shekey Shkeey
6 cheeky chekey chkeey kcheey kechey keechy
6 chekedy chkeedy dcheeky kcheedy kechedy keechdy
6 chetody chotedy chteody dcheoty tcheody teodchy
5 ekShy kShey Sheky Sheyk Shkey
5 chkoy choky kchoy ychok ykcho
5 cheky chkey kchey kechy ychek
5 cheedy chedey chdeey dcheey echedy
4 chety chtey tchey techy
4 cheoky choeky chokey ykecho
4 dolr dorl drol ldor
...
Thanks!
(I did not mean otol in particular, that was just for example).
You mean something like this? ( for example all permutations with "a" at the beginning of the word ):
adal dala
adar daar dara
adchey cheady
ador arod daor daro doar odar
ady day
aes eas
aiidal daiial
aiidy daiiy
aiiinro oraiiin
aiildy ydaiil
aiinal alaiin
aiinod daiino doaiin odaiin
aiiny yaiin
aiirol olaiir
aiiry yaiir
airal alair
airaldy alairdy
airar arair
airchy ychair
airod dairo dario doair odair
airol oiral olair
airols losair sairol solair
airy yair
ais sai
akar kara
aky yka
alaldy dalaly
alar aral
alcfhy chfaly
alchd chald chdal dchal
alchdy chdaly dalchy
alched chedal
alchedy chedaly ychedal
alcheky chekaly
alchey chealy
alchky chkaly ykchal
alchl chlal lchal
alchol cholal olchal
alchor archol chalor cholar lchoar olchar
alchy chaly
aldaiin dalaiin
aldam dalam
aldar arald dalar daral
ald dal
aldy daly dlay ydal
aleedy ydeeal
alfo ofal
alg gal
alkar karal
alkchdy chykald dykchal kalchdy kchaldy
alkeedy ykeedal
alkeeol olkeeal
alkey ykeal
alkol olkal
alky kaly ykal
alo aol oal ola
alodar daroal oaldar odalar
alod dalo doal odal
alody daoly odaly
aloiiin olaiiin
aloiin loaiin oiinal olaiin
alold dalol olald oldal
aloldy lodaly olaldy
alol olal
alolor olalor
alols olals salol solal
aloly olaly
alom olam
alor arol loar olar oral
alory loary oraly
alos osal salo
alpchdy cphaldy
alshdr lshdar
alshdy dalshy dshaly shaldy shdaly shydal yshdal
alshedy dalshey
alshey shealy ysheal
alshy shaly
als las sal
alsy alys saly
alteol oletal
aly yal
amchd chdam dcham
amchy ycham
amd dam
amod damo odam
amom omam
arals salar saral
archeey ycheear
are ear
aree eear
ariin raiin
arl lar ral
arodl dalor darol dolar doral lodar oldar orald
arodly dalory dolary
arody oydar
aroiin oiinar oraiin roaiin
arolor orarol
arom oamr oram
aro oar
aror orar
aros osar saro soar
aroteey oteeary
ar ra
arshey yshear
ary yar
ash sha
as sa
aty yta
axor oxar
The words are checked against a dictionary ( all words in VMS ).
I got similar results (attached).
The file shows the anagram count, sorted letters shared by the anagrams, and the list of vords.
Sample output:
15: cdehkoy: [dokechy, dcheoky, okechdy, ykechod, oekchdy, chkeody, ockhedy, dchokey, chokedy, ekchody, ckheody, okchedy, chekody, kcheody, kechody]
10: eehkosy: [okeeshy, sheoeky, shoekey, oksheey, sheokey, ykeoshe, shokeey, osheeky, okeshey, ykesheo]
10: cdehoty: [dcheoty, ctheody, chotedy, tcheody, octhedy, chetody, oetchdy, otchedy, otechdy, chteody]
9: cehoty: [ytcheo, chotey, otchey, eocthy, tochey, cheoty, choety, octhey, otechy]
9: ceehky: [kcheey, ekchey, chekey, kechey, chkeey, cheeky, keechy, ckheey, eeckhy]
9: ceehkoy: [ockheey, okeechy, cheokey, okcheey, chokeey, choekey, okechey, kcheoey, ocheeky]
8: chkoy: [ockhy, chkoy, ykcho, okchy, kchoy, choky, ychok, ckhoy]
8: cehkoy: [ocheky, choeky, cheoky, okechy, chokey, okchey, ockhey, ykecho]
8: cehkloy: [okechly, olcheky, kcheoly, kolchey, olkchey, ycheolk, cheolky, olkechy]
8: adlor: [oldar, dolar, doral, lodar, orald, arodl, dalor, darol]
It would be interesting to compare anagram occurrence in Voynichese with other languages. Do they occur more/less often?
(29-06-2020, 01:07 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
There is a lot more than I thought, despite the "positional rigidity". Interesting...
Yet another paradoxical aspect of the VMS.
(29-06-2020, 10:25 AM)doranchak Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would be interesting to compare anagram occurrence in Voynichese with other languages. Do they occur more/less often?
bi3mw
bi3mw's vord dictionary has 8078 entries.
So I looked at an English dictionary and generated anagrams of the top 8078 words (based on word occurrence frequency).
There seem to be far fewer anagrams, and they tend to be shorter (see attached).
There are only 333 distinct sets of anagrams in the English sample, vs 1311 in the Voynich sample.
Sample output:
4: opst: [stop, post, spot, tops]
4: enst: [tens, nets, nest, sent]
4: acers: [cares, races, scare, acres]
3: opsst: [spots, stops, posts]
3: now: [now, own, won]
3: lost: [lots, lost, slot]
3: epst: [pets, sept, step]
3: demo: [mode, dome, demo]
3: deit: [tide, tied, diet]
3: ceenrt: [center, centre, recent]
3: cdeersu: [rescued, reduces, secured]
What other "languages" are as anagram-positive as Voynichese?