[Edit KG: this was originally a reply to this post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but these posts have been split off by popular demand]
Davidsch,
The detail you describe as a fleur-de-lys is easy to read that way, and at first I thought so too, but such a reading is difficult to maintain because - as as with all emblemata - an interpretation has to be consistent with all other details, and in this case, the figure wears a garment of a cut which combines a neck-band of lighter colour with a side opening which runs close by the right armpit, and which apparently joins with knots, or perhaps frogged buttons (i.e. ones made by knotting cord into a button). Those things are characteristic of Asian style, and the quarter which the figure occupies appears, again, to be the eastern, or perhaps the north-eastern. (this assignment after investigating each of the other three in some detail).
Given the dates for the vellum and so forth, I concluded that the dress - including the head-wear - was a reference to the Mongols, (comparative images provided) and thus that the thing which strikes us as being like the European 'fleur-de-lys' wasn't meant for that, but for an emblem used on some coins of the Mongol period, within the same region to which traders and papal emissaries and others went from mainland Europe during the 'Mongol century'.
One commentator even speaks of it (the emblem being a calligraphic version of a tamgar) as looking "Like a graceful fleur-de-lys".
In writing up this matter, I added an image of that coin and of the costume, including the peculiar head-band, so that readers would see that all the details in that little vignette are telling of time and place.
The coin I illustrated dates to 1252-3 AD.
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I recently saw some 1975 (?) works by Gennady Pavlishin, an illustrator from Eastern Russia. I find his You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. interesting, I guess they are derived from older models. In particular, I find the symmetrical roots of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. somehow similar to the (simpler and more symmetric) decorative plants You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Does anybody have links to actual ancient illustrations of plants from Russia? I guess that manuscript herbals must have existed in Russia as well.
Other parallels for the roots of f2r?
At present i take keen interest in the medieval history during period 1390-1440
In some postings there was some interesting information about countries, movements of people, persecutions, kings, deaths, inventions etc.
And the suggestion made to open a new thread on history or maps was a good one.
Here we could collect information that is specific for that period.
Let me start by mentioning:
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Yesterday and today i did research on the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. because this is very interesting, for the:
* location inside Italy in the hills
* small community dated back to year 301
There are some thin similarities with the pictures in the VMS. The crenelations (rosette page), the castle on a rock (rosette page), crossbow-man already existed way back.
I thought i would find a special language or a reference of such, because it is typical for an old and small community.
However i did NOT find specific language references and i did NOT find ANY manuscript from medieval times that refers to this country.
I find that very striking and strange for a country that is so well organized and exists so long.
Where are those manuscripts hidden?
The neural network of the human brain is the Jungle Book.
I must say thatthis manuscript containsthe encoding ofmental imagesin the brain, which, somehow, define somefunctions of the human body, let's call thembinaryoptions. The neural networkof the brainis divided intofour sectorsA, B, C,D. The mind isvice versa, i.e.,the account goesfrom left to right...
Asector – responsible for the functioning of the body. Sector B- isthe identity of the person. SectorC, D – fora lifetime.
Figure1 shows amoney tree. The tree itselfisthe brain. Three branches – three branchesof the neural networkof the brain.Green leaves, the least significantbits. Brownleaves - about... the Numbers3and1determines the order of accountsbit. White flowerisdamaged areasof the brain,with which it is impossibleto read information.
The encrypted textencoding whichallowson the basis of theneural networksof the brainto createtwo virtual machines. I.e.to split myself.
The elementary processorof a brainis acube, where thedancingphotons. The colour of the four facesof the cubedeterminesits state.Only 16colors. Andeach colorinthe binary systemyou can represent4-bitcode combination.Example:10110110or0000or...
Let's look atone more pictureof the VOYNICH Manuscript. It depicts the flowerof Kalanchoe. Andpay attention to the root.We see threeof the Appendixof mine. Looking atFig. 3it becomes clear thatin Fig. 2 showsthe codingthat allows you to organizethe bridgebetween two virtual machinesobtained by dividingmyself.
1000 1111 0000 0010 0000 0110 0000 0010 0010 0111 1100 1011 0100 0010 0010 0010 1011 1000 0010 0010 1011 0010 1011 0100 0010 0010 0000 0010 0100 0010 0010 0111 1100 0010 0010 1011 1000 0010 0000 0110 0000 0010 0000 0010 0100 1011 0100 1000 1011 0100 0010 1000 1010 1110 1000 1011 0100 1011 0000 1100 On the last pageof the VOYNICH manuscript(Fig. 4) we seethe numbers7484. This is a test. The number of4-bitcode combinations(CC) in the encodingshoulddivided by 4without a remainder. Andthe result of the divisionmust beeither 7 or8or7+8=15.
Soin the encodingKalanchoe isthe number of4-bitСC (N4) is 60.And60/4=15 Encodedmoney treeN4=28. And28/4=7. And check for odd parity. I.e.the number1in the encodingsmust be odd. Soin our example,quantity 1 = 85, in the money tree = 47.
Надо сказать, что в данной рукописи содержатся кодировки ментальных образов головного мозга, которые, так или иначе, определяют некоторые функции человеческого организма, назовем их бинарными опциями.
Нейронная сеть головного мозга делится на четыре сектора A, B, С, D.
Ум – это ничка, т.е. счет идет слева направо…
Сектор A – отвечает за функционирование организма.
Сектор B – это личность человека.
Сектор C, D – за продолжительность жизни.
На рисунке 1 изображено денежное дерево. Само дерево – это головной мозг. Три ветки – три сектора нейронной сети головного мозга. Зеленые листочки, значащие биты. Коричневые листочки - ложные... Цифры 3 и 1 определяют порядок счета бит. Белый цветок – это поврежденные участки головного мозга, с которых нельзя считать информацию.
В тексте зашифрована кодировка, которая позволяет на базе нейронной сети головного мозга создать две виртуальные машины. Т.е. расколоть Я.
Элементарным процессором головного мозга является куб, в котором пляшут фотоны. Цвет четырех граней этого куба определяет его состояние. Цветов всего 16. И каждый цвет в двоичной системе счисления можно представить 4-х битной кодовой комбинацией. Например: 1011 или 0000 или 0110…
Давайте рассмотрим еще одну картинку из Манускрипта ВОЙНИЧА. На ней изображен цветок каланхоэ. И обратим внимание на корень. Мы видим три отростка с минами. Посмотрев на рис. 3 становится понятно, что на рис. 2 приведена кодировка, позволяющая организовать мост между двумя виртуальными машинами, полученными при делении Я.
На последней странице манускрипта ВОЙНИЧА (рис. 4) мы видим цифры 7484. Это проверка. Количество 4-х битных кодовых комбинаций (КК) в кодировке должно делится на 4 без остатка. А результат деления должен быть либо 7, либо 8 или 7+8=15.
Так в кодировке каланхоэ количество 4-х битных КК (N4) равно 60. И 60/4=15
В кодировке денежное дерево N4=28. И 28/4=7.
И проверка на нечетность. Т.е. количество 1 в кодировках должно быть нечетным.
Так в нашем примере количество 1 = 85, в денежном дереве = 47.
It becomes increasingly clear that the manuscript is most likely to have been made in Italy, as was the opinion of both Nick Pelling and Edith Sherwood before 2008.
Sherwood believed so because she thought then that the manuscript was by Leonard da Vinci; Pelling's opinion was drawn from his own research into an Italian architect nicknamed 'Filarete'.
Codicological evidence for this view has been less often addressed.
Recently, however, Alain Towaide has said that the binding itself (i.e. the style of stitching) is characteristically Italian, an important new insight. (on which point, see the publication by the Villa Mondragone, and a summary review by Rene written for Stephen Bax' website).
In this connection, I have noted again a comment published some time ago on ciphermysteries by Menno Krull Knul, who said he thought that an Italian manuscript in the library of the University of Vermont (Burlington) was 'convincingly like' the botanical section of Beinecke MS 408.
Bald assertions of this sort abound in Voynich studies, and finding the reason and evidence for an opinion is often very difficult.
So I've recently begun to write up a detailed comparison of the two manuscripts. My conclusions are (for those who don't want to wade through the comparative evidence, reasoning and all that) that the similarities are primarily those of similar practices and materials in use in northern Italy during the fifteenth century. As example, one page of the Vermont herbal, folded across the middle, differs not at all from the VMS vellum in one dimension and only 2.5mm to either side on the other.
The palette is comparable, though the Vms' is broader. More telling is that both have had the pictures made before the text was added, and in *some* cases, the text of the Vermont 'Tuscany Herbal' also weaves the text through and around a central image.
However, the length in time between them - as much as four or five generations - suggests that it is the use of paper and membrane supplied by a constant source over that period which explains the dimensions, as well as the possibility that the 'Tuscany' herbal drew upon the earlier Beinecke manuscript, or upon exemplars in common. I conclude that the Vms is most likely to have been made c.1427-8 in the Veneto.
I think that, given the earlier ideas about where the manuscript was made (which is not the same thing as where the contained matter was first enunciated), Towaide's comment and Menno Krull's Knul's observation become important. We may need to switch attention from 'central Europe' to northern Italy in our hunt for the text.
I should appreciate comments on the posts from members here.
Came across this compilation on pinterest today. Look at image #9 - the stars and the little face are very Voynichese.
But I can't find the source. Anyone have any idea?
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I wonder if the nymphs on top of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be the constellations of Cepheus, Cassiopeia and Andromeda. They were all placed in the sky as a punishment: Cepheus as a fish, Cassiopeia chained to her throne with her arms spread, and Andromeda chained to a rock in the waves.
Later MSS depict them differently, but yesterday by coincidence I came across Revised Aratus Latinus, which depicts them in a way that reminded me of these nymphs. Especially the correspondence between the middle nymph and Cassiopeia is striking. The nymph to her right, which should be Andromeda, is also standing in wavy water.
DATE
809
LOCATION
Paris, Bibliothèque nationale de France → Nouv. acq. lat. 1614, fol. 86v-87r
TEXT/BOOK/DOCUMENT
Revised Aratus Latinus
A very interesting depiction can be seen here as well, in another version of this text: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
What is interesting, is that this latter manuscript does something very Voynich-like: it gives the figures a small base to stand on, indicating their environment. Cetus and Andromeda get water, Cassiopeia gets a palace platform.
I'm not an expert in astrological matters so I wonder if it could be possible.
Yes, i know this should probably have been posted at the water cooler,
but i already entered the text and attachments, when i realized that,
so please don't get angry on me again, and perhaps you can help moving this to the correct category?
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I know there was a discussion on a page on many oooooo's after a 15 minute search i give up
and post this thread, perhaps it can be moved after we 've located that other posting ?
I wanted to share these images:
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page 29r
Wanted to show these many oooo's in this ms.
Update: Yes Marco, thanks page 70r1. So the thread concerned is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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What is interesting about this text is that on the 4th line resembles two letters, as in the vms,
you see something that looks like yortalem or ajortlem, but there are very little words i can read.
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page 19r
Here you can see letters in the picture have been used to show a=oriens, o=occidenz d=angulus ..?
This is used on the other pages as well.
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Basel, Universitätsbibliothek, F III 25 Parchment · 51 ff. · 23.5-25.5 x 16-17 cm · 13th-14th century Composite manuscript (Astronomy) Language: not specified Manuscript Summary: This composite manuscript of content related to astronomy consists of three independently created parts with leaves of different sizes and varying layouts. They were produced by several scribes in the 13th and 14th centuries. The texts describe instruments for observing the sky and treat the planetary orbits, which are also represented in astronomical drawings. This composite manuscript belonged to the chained library of the Dominican Convent of Basel. (gam/flr) Standard description: Aus: HAN. Verbundkatalog Handschriften - Archive - Nachlässe. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Online Since: 06/25/2015
