Diane > 08-05-2016, 07:40 PM
VViews > 08-05-2016, 08:04 PM
ReneZ > 08-05-2016, 09:08 PM
-JKP- > 09-05-2016, 12:36 AM
(08-05-2016, 07:40 PM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... We may need to switch attention from 'central Europe' to northern Italy in our hunt for the text.
I should appreciate comments on the posts from members here....
-JKP- > 09-05-2016, 01:51 AM
ReneZ > 09-05-2016, 05:57 AM
Davidsch > 09-05-2016, 09:50 AM
Quote:I will say this again... What we call "northern Italy" is not what northern Italy was in the year 1400. Northern Italy was only 60% up the "leg" at that time and it wasn't a country, it was a collection of city-states. The germanic regions, the declining region of the Lombards, and the reach of the Holy Roman Empire was almost down to Rome, included what we now call Slovenia, western Austria and not long before had included Rome and the region around Venice and some of the area which is now eastern Spain and France.
MarcoP > 09-05-2016, 11:54 AM
(09-05-2016, 05:57 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Having seen many herbals, this one does not strike me as the 'most similar'. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of JKP and Marco on that.
The MS itself indicates that it has combined contributions from several books or MSs, and one of them clearly was an alchemical herbal, because several of the herbs are easily recognisable as such. I just point out herb #17 in the right centre of page 9, and herb #65 in the bottom right of page 51. In both cases there is a reference to an 'alio libro'.
There are many more, but they are scattered throughout and not in the usual order.
(Edit: page numbers are from my notes, I hope they are right).
-JKP- > 09-05-2016, 02:17 PM
(09-05-2016, 09:50 AM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP
Quote:I will say this again... What we call "northern Italy" is not what northern Italy was in the year 1400. Northern Italy was only 60% up the "leg" at that time and it wasn't a country, it was a collection of city-states. The germanic regions, the declining region of the Lombards, and the reach of the Holy Roman Empire was almost down to Rome, included what we now call Slovenia, western Austria and not long before had included Rome and the region around Venice and some of the area which is now eastern Spain and France.
It would be nice if you post or refer to a specific map of the region, because i am working for quite while now in lower Germany and Austria and northern Italie. If for any reason we could narrow down the area this makes the search easier, because i am investigating as many cities and villages as possible.
(09-05-2016, 05:57 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Vermont herbal seems to have been one of the first that was entirely digitised on the net. Or at least one of those with some similarity to the Voynich MS. I am fairly sure it was discussed on the mailing list before 2000, but I just quickly found this note from Dana Scott from 2002:
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My follow-up to that (linked) refers to an earlier mention. In the archive I find one from 1998, but again it says 'was mentioned before'.
Having seen many herbals, this one does not strike me as the 'most similar'. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of JKP and Marco on that.
The MS itself indicates that it has combined contributions from several books or MSs, and one of them clearly was an alchemical herbal, because several of the herbs are easily recognisable as such. I just point out herb #17 in the right centre of page 9, and herb #65 in the bottom right of page 51. In both cases there is a reference to an 'alio libro'.
There are many more, but they are scattered throughout and not in the usual order.
(Edit: page numbers are from my notes, I hope they are right).
Davidsch > 09-05-2016, 03:31 PM