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| Big red stain on f103r and retouching of text |
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Posted by: Sam G - 01-03-2016, 11:52 AM - Forum: Physical material
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There's a big red stain in the upper corner of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. that looks like it was caused when some sort of red substance spilled onto the page. It seems that this must have occurred while the manuscript was already in its present order, or at least while this particular folio was the same position with respect to its adjacent folios, because there's a smaller "sub-stain" in the same area of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - not merely a paint contact transfer, but a small circular stain apparently caused by the same red substance when it was still fully liquid. Look at it and you'll see what I'm talking about.
What's interesting about this is that the text in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. stain has obviously been retouched. So if the stain followed the binding of the manuscript into its present order, and the retouching followed the stain, then the retouching - at least in this instance - must have occurred after the manuscript acquired its present order.
Since there's apparently quite a bit of retouching to other areas of the manuscript as well, it seems likely that most of this retouching also took place after the manuscript was in its present order, although it is of course possible that the manuscript has been retouched multiple times.
So it seems that the retouching, or at least some of it, was therefore not done by the original scribe, but was done by someone who presumably did not know enough about the VMS to put the pages in the correct order, yet still took the time to carefully retrace some of the text and do a decent job (to my eye) of reproducing the VMS letters.
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| glyph and EVA/glyph transcriptions |
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Posted by: don of tallahassee - 29-02-2016, 11:36 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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I have deleted the thread and started over.
I have started work on a glyph transcription and an EVA/glyph transcription.
They are unchecked. I offer them here in case anyone would like to download an early copy to use and change as you desire if you don't agree with my transcriptions. If any group wants to use them as a base to make an "official" transcription, feel free. I'm not copywriting them and want anyone to use them in any way they would like.
They are based on the Majority Rule Transcription.
Unchecked after f89v. Only checked once (quickly) from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to f89v. Not yet completed. Much work yet to be done. These are the first drafts (very rough drafts), still in the process of being drafted. I've been learning a lot more about the glyphs and words as the work progresses.
I haven't worked on them lately - got burnt out after two months of daily 14 - 16 hour transcribing sessions in English, Voynichese and EVA. Hope to continue again soon.
If you would like to help debug them, feel free to volunteer.
I do not seem to be competent enough to add them to the Voynich Ninja site. They are large files.
I will send the following files concerning glyph transcriptions directly to those desirous if they send me their email address:
1. The majority vote transcription (EVA).
2. The glyph only draft transcription of mine. (to f89r2)
3. The EVA/glyph draft transcription of mine. (to f96v)
4. GC's hand a - hand b glyph transcription to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and some other files of his, mostly about those pages
5. Voynich 101 font
Let me know if you want Word or PDF.
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee
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| Character-Limited Patterns? |
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Posted by: Emma May Smith - 29-02-2016, 07:49 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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The Voynich manuscript has only a small deal of repeating phrases. This is often (and rightly) held up as a mark against the text being a natural language. But the search for repeating phrases is based on finding exact, or fairly close matches. If we altered the terms of the search to be less strict would the outcome be any different?
What I am thinking is this: were we to consider only some characters (say [k, t, d, l, r, s]) to be important, would we find that those characters alone were patterned? For example, the phrase [chedy qokeedy lolsaiin qokain] would thus have the pattern [d k d l l s k], and would match the phrase [daiin kedy ol ols qokeeo]. Such character-limited patterns may be much more common and could bring some insight were they exist.
Now, the above is only an example, but would it be possible to find out a set of characters (or important 'bits' of textual information whatever they may be) which show the maximum amount of patterning in the text? And if so, what would it teach us?
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| Voynich Manuscript Latin Translation |
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Posted by: stellar - 29-02-2016, 04:06 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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I went ahead and published a book titled, "Voynich Manuscript Latin Translation". I discuss my project in this video and at the end provide and easy Voynich decoding game. Have a look and if you buy the book present your feedback here. Thank you!
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| Big Red Weirdos |
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Posted by: VViews - 26-02-2016, 01:34 AM - Forum: Voynich Talk
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Hi everyone,
Because we don't know what the red weirdos on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are, I wasn't sure whether to put this thread in the text, imagery or marginalia sections, so I am posting it here.
I'm starting this thread so we can share our views about these, because whatever they are, they seem important, since they are on the very first page and have been made so very noticeable by the author.
Also, it seems that the one on the upper right side of the page has received rather less attention than the other two, although to me it might just be the most interesting one, because of its position and because it doesn't bear much similarity to the other two.
Here's a page made by Knox, which provides quite a few comparisons as well as links to various sites where they have been discussed in the past:
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That was two years ago...
I'm curious to hear what views the forum members may have about what the weirdos are or look like, and whether perhaps we might gather any new insight into them.
Any thoughts?
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| Voynich text generator |
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Posted by: Torsten - 25-02-2016, 10:52 PM - Forum: Analysis of the text
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Hello,
I have published the app "VoynichTextGenerator" for iOS. The App is available via the Apple app store (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
The app illustrates my hypothesis about the Voynich manuscript. With this app it is possible to generate text with features similar to that of the VMS.
The text generation algorithm works in two main steps. The first step is to choose a source word and the second step is to modify the selected word.
There are three different ways for modifying a source word.
The first method is to replace a ligature or glyph with a similar one. I will demonstrate this with 'chol' as example. The word 'chol' consists of a ligature 'ch' and a ligature 'ol'. It is possible to modify both ligatures. By changing 'ch' into 'sh', a new word 'shol' would be generated and by changing 'ol' into 'or' a new word 'chor' would be generated. It is also possible to change both ligatures at the same time to generate words like 'shor' or 'shal'.
The second modifying method is to add a prefix like 'l', 'o', 'd', 'ch' or 'q'. For adding a prefix in front of another prefix some special rules exist: If for instance a prefix 'l' or 'o' is added in front of the glyphs 'ch' or 'd', these glyphs in seven out of ten cases change into a gallow glyph. This way a prefix 'o' added to a source word 'chol' would result in words like 'okol', 'otol' or 'ochol'.
The third method is to combine two short words for generating a new word. For instance 'chol' could be combined with 'daiin' to generate a word 'cholkaiin' or 'choldaiin'. For glyph sequences containing only two glyphs it is also possible to combine the sequence with itself. For instance it is possible to combine two 'ol' words in order to generate a self-similar word 'olol'.
Torsten Timm
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