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• RE: Voynich Decoded

  5dd95 > 15-03-2025, 04:56 PM

  (15-03-2025, 03:49 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where you can upload your research papers. This way, if someone ever attempts to steal your ideas, you can prove your precedence.
  
  René's page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  i will take a look thank you.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  5dd95 > 15-03-2025, 05:04 PM

  (15-03-2025, 04:50 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That is known as "poor mans copyright" its only value is evidentiary and even then its value is weak and any documentation should be held by a trusted 3rd party.
   At least that is what it says at this uk legal firm webpage.
  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Thanks for this. Nice of you to take the time.  another way i thought of is creating my own website.  and have a members area where people can view my findings.  to enter ans see the information they would have to fill out a form with email adress phone number and name.  then i would have a paper trail and time frame.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  tavie > 15-03-2025, 05:23 PM

  (15-03-2025, 05:04 PM)5dd95 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.another way i thought of is creating my own website.  and have a members area where people can view my findings.  to enter ans see the information they would have to fill out a form with email adress phone number and name.  then i would have a paper trail and time frame.

  
  
  You'd be storing people's personal data.  Since you're in the UK, you would need to consider to what extent GDPR bites and what responsibilities this may give you.  
  
  I don't get this fear over copyright issues.  Maybe I'm imagining it but it seems we've had several theorists in the last year or two fixating on this, and it doesn't seem it was a common worry before.
  
  You worry that all the time you've spent on it will be wasted if someone steals your credit for the decipherment.  But if it's wasted time you're concerned about, your bigger worry should be that the time is being wasted on a dead end. Well over a hundred people before you have convinced themselves that they have deciphered the manuscript.  They were all wrong but they were - and almost certainly still are - passionately convinced that they were right.  Given that long list of n solvers, the odds are high that solver n+1 will make the same kind of mistakes as all those before them.  Not reading existing work before you start (to help immunize you against making their mistakes) makes the odds go higher.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  5dd95 > 15-03-2025, 06:03 PM

  (15-03-2025, 05:23 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't get this fear over copyright issues.  Maybe I'm imagining it but it seems we've had several theorists in the last year or two fixating on this, and it doesn't seem it was a common worry before.

  unfortunatly many things have been stolen in this word regretably this is a real thing.  Times have gone where you can post information and expect it not to be used for other peoples gain.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  5dd95 > 15-03-2025, 06:14 PM

  (15-03-2025, 05:23 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well over a hundred people before you have convinced themselves that they have deciphered the manuscript.  They were all wrong

  The problem is they didnt know what i know about the voynich manuscript. i am greatfull to people who have tried decoding the manuscript before they shown us what the voynich wasnt thank you to people like William F. Friedman,John Tiltman, Gordon Rugg,Jacques Guy,Stephen Bax,Erwin Panofsky,Rene Zandbergen,  also AI Researchers (e.g., from the University of Alberta)  When i post my finding you will  also understand.,

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  Bluetoes101 > 16-03-2025, 01:01 AM

  An issue is that what the script "wasn't", is what you are proposing it is.
  By creating an alphabet you have created a simple substitution cipher, so if you are correct everyone else's work is wrong. 
  Do you think it is remotely possible someone like Friedman could not figure out a simple substitution cipher? 
  
  I would advise spending a considerable amount of more time understanding works of others before presenting anything.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  ReneZ > 16-03-2025, 03:10 AM

  (15-03-2025, 04:47 PM)5dd95 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Kepler succeeded Brahe as the imperial mathematician and shared the emperor’s interest in esoteric knowledge. Although primarily focused on astronomy, Kepler’s presence in the same intellectual circles suggests potential interaction with Horcicky, especially regarding alchemical or botanical discussions.

  
  Both Kepler and Horcicky were associated with Rudolf and his court, and it the question whether they knew each other is interesting enough.
  Kepler was strongly protestant: he had to leave Graz because he refused to adopt Catholicism. 
  Horcicky was strongly catholic: he was forced to leave Melnik by the Utraquist (protestant) population.
  In those days, religion was of the greatest importance.
  
  Kepler was famous and had important patrons already shortly after 1600.
  Horcicky was not at all famous. He had a bit of a name after his nobilitation in 1608.
  Kepler was primarily a matematician and astronomy+astrology were part of mathematics.
  I am not aware of any interest in medicine (which included herbal knowledge).
  
  There are also no records of contact between them.
  
  Horcicky undoubtedly must have known who was Kepler, but the other way round is far from clear. Chances that they would ever have even talked to each other seem extremely small.
  
  Note that this has nothing to do with the Voynich MS.
  It is possible that Kepler saw it at some point. Horcicky certainly owned it, probably after Rudolf's death.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  zachary.kaelan > 16-03-2025, 03:55 AM

  (15-03-2025, 05:23 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't get this fear over copyright issues.  Maybe I'm imagining it but it seems we've had several theorists in the last year or two fixating on this, and it doesn't seem it was a common worry before.

  
  I'll have you know that I'm planning on robbing this person blind the instant they present their research.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  Koen G > 16-03-2025, 01:12 PM

  (15-03-2025, 05:23 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't get this fear over copyright issues.  Maybe I'm imagining it but it seems we've had several theorists in the last year or two fixating on this, and it doesn't seem it was a common worry before.

  
  I find questions like these very interesting: why do we keep seeing similar behaviors in people who believe they've solved (or are solving) the manuscript. Note that this is different from the "psychoanalyzing" of individuals I spoke out against recently. The MS clearly does something to people in general that often leads to the same results.
  
  I do have some first hand experience with this. When I first started researching the MS, I hadn't really read all that much about its textual properties yet. I guess talk of conditional character entropy wasn't all that mainstream yet as it is today. Anyway, I found that it was actually quite intuitive to find some translations for labels using an internally consistent system.
  
  What happens then is that you're overwhelmed by the fact that it actually works. You show some friends and they say "wow, I can't believe you can actually read this thing". You feel like the solution was there in plain sight, and that somebody else might also stumble upon it tomorrow. So you need to be fast. Get it out there, stake your claim. That's really the driving mechanism, I believe. As a typical solver, your solution seems so obvious to you, that someone else must come across it sooner or later. So you have to be quick to claim it. This feeling drives a lot of the behavior we see in people who think they found the key.
  
  So then comes the dilemma. You can show that it's yours by making the information public. But then other people will obviously start working with your method and one of them will translate the whole MS faster than you and they'll get all the credit.
  
  Expectations like these also explain in part why theorists often don't react well when it turns out their system doesn't work and they're just one in a long, long line of people going through these same experiences. The interactions with others are opposite to what they had envisioned.
  
  Anyway, that's just my view on the broader phenomenon. My advice to you, 5dd95 is to simply publish your findings in the way that is most convenient to you, and expect constructive criticism rather than plagiarism.

• RE: Voynich Decoded

  tavie > 16-03-2025, 02:00 PM

  (16-03-2025, 01:12 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You feel like the solution was there in plain sight, and that somebody else might also stumble upon it tomorrow.

  
  Yet despite it being in plain sight, at no point does anyone seem to ask the question "If I've made the breakthrough in a matter of minutes/hours/days, how come all these people - including expert codebreakers and linguists - labouring over it for decades didn't find it?  Wait a minute, could I have fallen into the same trap as all those wrong solvers before me?"
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