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Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 31-01-2025, 05:07 PM
(31-01-2025, 12:22 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The distinct You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with the highest number of occurrences are as follows (in decreasing order):
Α, Τ, Ο, Ε, Σ, Ι, Ν, Ρ, Π, Κ, Μ, Η, etc.
I know that the top result in Google gives Greek letters in this order, but it's wrong. If you look closely at their list, they count vowels (A E) and accented vowels ('A 'E) separately, reducing the frequency of the vowels substantially. As far as the alphabet is concerned, and I think especially for Gematria, A and 'A are the same letter, so T is not the second, but the 4th or 5th frequency-wise. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 31-01-2025, 06:13 PM
(31-01-2025, 05:07 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I know that the top result in Google gives Greek letters in this order, but it's wrong. If you look closely at their list, they count vowels (A E) and accented vowels ('A 'E) separately, reducing the frequency of the vowels substantially. As far as the alphabet is concerned, and I think especially for Gematria, A and 'A are the same letter, so T is not the second, but the 4th or 5th frequency-wise.
I concur, there is a great deal of uncertainty in estimating the exact correspondence between cipher symbols and alphabet letters.
I provided just an illustration that symbol sequences like dydyd could actually be numerical values. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 31-01-2025, 07:49 PM
Yes, even as simple as 89898. I wonder, has anyone tried to interpret the Voynichese as a mixture of Roman and Indo-Arabic (0123456789) numerals. I've seen a number of theories for aiiin, etc. being Roman numerals, and EVA oirlvdy looks more or less like medieval 0124789, so it could be possible to construct some interpretation that works with 0123456789, but combining them like the Roman numerals (XLVIII). I'm not suggesting it makes sense, but if someone did this I'd certainly have a look. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Aga Tentakulus > 01-02-2025, 09:00 AM
Yes, you are right. 42, the answer to all questions.
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 01-02-2025, 09:24 AM
I know that experts say fantasy style world building illustrated fiction is basically impossible at the time when VMS was created, but I'd love for it to be some kind of hitch-hikers guide to heaven and hell
A new fiction book from the XV century is definitely long overdue. Sounds more fun than a herbal astrology medicine guide.
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Koen G > 01-02-2025, 05:31 PM
Well the Divina Comedia appears like a "hitch-hikers guide to heaven and hell", and it was written in the 14th century. Judging by today's standards, it would be a rather cruel self-insert fanfiction, in which the author puts his political opponents through eternal torture. And he gets to meet his favorite author Virgil who likes him a lot, and they walk through hell together and then he gets to see heaven and it's all really cool, and the girl he fancies is there and also Bernard de Clairvaux!
But you probably feel that calling the Divine Comedy a work of fiction is awkward. Not necessarily wrong (it contains fictional elements), but the term is just not suitable. The literary scene and indeed society as a whole were different in medieval Italy. For starters, Heaven and Hell were real places and the bible was literally true. Dante's poem is a long allegory of the Christian soul struggling with sin and salvation. Comparing it to modern genres is hopelessly anachronistic, as I showed above.
So it could very well be something we'd interpret as a fictional journey through heaven and hell. But it would not have been fictional in the same sense to the medieval makers. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
R. Sale > 01-02-2025, 07:56 PM
What about the word for Moon: c'heody
The three examples triangulate, but are there other occurrences or very similar vords? -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 02-02-2025, 09:09 AM
(01-02-2025, 07:56 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What about the word for Moon: c'heody
The symbol sequence c'heody appears 49 times in the manuscript and has prefixes 15 times as shown in the attached images.
The three examples triangulate, but are there other occurrences or very similar vords?