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Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
R. Sale > 30-01-2025, 06:20 AM
No expectations, but if the vord above is used to designate the Moon, then there needs to be some kind of correspondence.
I tried Google Translate to find words for moon in various European languages. Only one interesting result. In Luxembourgish 'Moon' is 'Mound', similar to German 'Mond'. This is curious because the VMs mermaid has been interpreted as Melusine of Luxembourg.
You never know. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Lissu > 30-01-2025, 07:00 PM
I tried searching middle eastern words for "moon" but nothing matched. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 31-01-2025, 08:01 AM
Let's consider the number of occurrences of the distinct symbols in the cipher manuscript as shown in the attached image where the voyn_101 file was used for this purpose.
If there is any direct correspondence between cipher symbols and known alphabets then one could attempt to use symbol-to-letter substitutions in a naïve approach to match the symbol frequencies with letter frequencies.
The next step would be to search in a chosen language for possible similarities concerning words like "Moon", "Sun", etc. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 31-01-2025, 09:26 AM
(31-01-2025, 08:21 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A small hint for a potential Greek influence is the occurrence of a symbol ∞ on six occasions which was used to represent the Greek letter Ω (Omega) in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
I'm not sure I remember seeing ∞ anywhere in the MS. Could you give specific folios and loci?
I'm now trying to prioritize potential plaintext languages, any clear letters or sequences suggestive of specific alphabets/languages appearing in the MS would help a lot. So far I'm only aware of some German-like inscriptions in marginalia and month names in a Romance language.
There were some discussions of Greek influence in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marginalia (e.g., a delta-like shape, etc), but overall to me they just look like Latin script, if somewhat distorted. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 31-01-2025, 09:57 AM
(31-01-2025, 09:26 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm not sure I remember seeing ∞ anywhere in the MS. Could you give specific folios and loci?
The six instances are in folios <17v.12>, <70r2.outside_ring>, <72v3.outer_ring> (twice), <84r.11>, and <86v> <rose.west_center>.
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 31-01-2025, 10:25 AM
Thank you!
Just posting a couple of them here for easier access (daiin.net won't open for me now).
These could be deliberate and not just a slip of a pen. I always assumed these were just cases of two glyphs getting jammed together, but I'm not sure now. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
oshfdk > 31-01-2025, 11:58 AM
On the other hand, I've added a few more examples from 84r where e almost fuses with the next character, or some other characters end up (almost) connected. So maybe this was accidental after all.
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RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 31-01-2025, 12:22 PM
The distinct cipher symbols with the highest number of occurrences are as follows (in decreasing order):
o, y, a, e, ch, l, d, k, r, t, q, iin, etc.
The distinct You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with the highest number of occurrences are as follows (in decreasing order):
Α, Τ, Ο, Ε, Σ, Ι, Ν, Ρ, Π, Κ, Μ, Η, etc. -
RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?
Dobri > 31-01-2025, 04:34 PM