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• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 27-01-2025, 03:06 PM

  The word token pcheodar can be found not only in folio <86v4> (<86v4.outer_ring> and <86v4.1>, 11-phase lunar folio) but also in folio <54v.1> (unknown plant) and folio <106r.42> (recipes?).

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 27-01-2025, 03:28 PM

  (27-01-2025, 03:05 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  There is another "yy" on the same page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  Thanks, nablator, in the v101 file this is given as "y,y" indicating some space between the two symbols.

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dana Scott > 28-01-2025, 02:18 AM

  (27-01-2025, 03:06 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word token pcheodar can be found not only in folio <86v4> (<86v4.outer_ring> and <86v4.1>, 11-phase lunar folio) but also in folio <54v.1> (unknown plant) and folio <106r.42> (recipes?).

  
  
  Sheep's Sorrel Plant:
  
  Rumex acetosella
  contains toxic oxylic acid
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• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 28-01-2025, 08:00 AM

  (28-01-2025, 02:18 AM)Dana Scott Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (27-01-2025, 03:06 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word token pcheodar can be found not only in folio <86v4> (<86v4.outer_ring> and <86v4.1>, 11-phase lunar folio) but also in folio <54v.1> (unknown plant) and folio <106r.42> (recipes?).

  
  
  Sheep's Sorrel Plant:
  
  Rumex acetosella
  contains toxic oxylic acid
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  Thanks, Dana, the image in folio <54v> could be depicting some species of sorrel indeed.
  Astrologically, sorrel is linked to the Moon and also Venus.
  It is a symbol of tenacity and resilience and is appreciated by farmers and healers.

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 28-01-2025, 08:42 AM

  The word token c'hedaiin can be found not only in folio <86v4> (<86v4.2nd_ring> (twice) and <86v4.4th_ring>, 11-phase lunar folio) but also in folio <52r.6> (unknown plant), folio <77r.4> and folio <82r.6> (nymphs and tubes), and folio <85r2) (<85r2.outer_ring> and <85r2.quad_3_5>, solar folio).

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 29-01-2025, 06:40 PM

  Let's consider the intersection between the 2 sets of word tokens in the two lunar folios <68r> (containing <68r1>, <68r2> and <68r3>) and <86v4> (11-phase lunar folio).
  
  Said intersection contains the following 14 word tokens:
  
  al, daiin, dar, c'hdar, c'heody, odaiin, odar, ol, dol, okedy, qokeol, okol, otor, and or.
  
  If there is a distinct word token for the Moon appearing at least once in both folios, then one of the listed 14 word tokens has to be translated as "Moon".

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  R. Sale > 29-01-2025, 07:32 PM

  Interesting. So, which of the 14 can be eliminated as common words found frequently? And is there another part of the VMs where the Moon might also be mentioned, creating a third data set?

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 30-01-2025, 02:29 AM

  (29-01-2025, 06:40 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let's consider the intersection between the 2 sets of word tokens in the two lunar folios <68r> (containing <68r1>, <68r2> and <68r3>) and <86v4> (11-phase lunar folio).
  
  
  Said intersection contains the following 14 word tokens:
  
  
  al, daiin, dar, c'heody, odaiin, odar, ol, dol, okedy, qokeol, okol, otor, and or.
  
  
  If there is a distinct word token for the Moon appearing at least once in both folios, then one of the listed 14 word tokens has to be translated as "Moon".

  
  
  
  

  (29-01-2025, 07:32 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Interesting. So, which of the 14 can be eliminated as common words found frequently? And is there another part of the VMs where the Moon might also be mentioned, creating a third data set?

  
  
  An intersection with the third lunar folio <67r> gives 9 word tokens:
  
  
  al, daiin, dar, c'heody, odar, ol, okol, otor, and or.
  
  
  The exclusion of frequently occurring word tokens leaves only c'heody as a possible word token that could be translated as "Moon".

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  R. Sale > 30-01-2025, 04:21 AM

  Don't mistake me for knowing *anything* about Voynichese, but here goes.
  
  The above vord proposed for "Moon" contains five glyphs with no repetitions. Therefore, words line 'Moon', 'Luna', or 'Selene' are out.
  
  In which language does the word for 'moon' consist of five or more non-duplicated letters?

• RE: Eleven Moon Phases in Folio 86v?

  Dobri > 30-01-2025, 04:57 AM

  (30-01-2025, 04:21 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  
  In which language does the word for 'moon' consist of five or more non-duplicated letters?

  For example, Moon in Greek is φεγγάρι [fengári].
  However, we are dealing with a cipher manuscript, a constructed language or a hoax.
  One should not expect to find a direct phonetic correspondence between word tokens and spoken words in real languages.
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