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RE: The containers in the Pharma section
JoJo_Jost > 02-12-2025, 06:14 AM
And we all know what that is... a huge anachronism. (Joke)
Seriously, though, I also find the hanging loop very interesting. Given how delicate these loops are, the device can't be very heavy. -
RE: The containers in the Pharma section
Bluetoes101 > 03-12-2025, 12:02 AM
(01-12-2025, 11:58 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maybe a good point to revive the comparison with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
The modern examples have a remarkable resemblance with the more elaborate containers in the MS, but I have never been able to find original or at least older examples.
Google searches return many more examples, mostly on commercial sites.
From what I could find out, I think these designs are modern. Definitely for Egypt anyway, or somewhere selling "Egyptian style" perfume bottles.
The tops are a "leaf stopper/finial", the tip of the leaf has been twisted.
Sometimes this is called a "twisted leaf" on descriptions but it doesn't seem like an official term.
My hunch is that with some of these vessels we see an Eastern Influence, which would be expected for the time if they are meant to be fancy.
The place to look for something like this I think, in 14/15C, is Murano glass (aka - Venetian glass, but they were kicked out of Venice for fear of fires at the time),
though even with the fanciest of the fancy, its hard to find anything this delicate documented or surviving. I'll keep an eye out, but until now I've found nothing. -
RE: The containers in the Pharma section
Bluetoes101 > 03-12-2025, 12:10 AM
(02-12-2025, 06:14 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Seriously, though, I also find the hanging loop very interesting. Given how delicate these loops are, the device can't be very heavy.
It depends what they decided to leave out. If some are meant to be censer-like things, the loops on top of them can be very small.
1477 Swiss
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RE: The containers in the Pharma section
Bluetoes101 > 11 hours ago
(01-12-2025, 05:55 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No, not exactly, but very similar. Here:
(The first image is rotated 180 degrees.)
Three of the four nymphs also seem to be in upside down vessels. There seems to be some chance the one that is not, is standing in a partly later addition thingy (at least it may not have been finished before the writing was added).
Anyway, these ones with fancy lids are Q15. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has 3 vessels and the lids seem to match the nymphs lids fairly well. If we just say "heart>clover>ball".
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RE: The containers in the Pharma section
JoJo_Jost > 8 hours ago
(11 hours ago)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Three of the four nymphs also seem to be in upside down vessels. There seems to be some chance the one that is not, is standing in a partly later addition thingy (at least it may not have been finished before the writing was added).
Anyway, these ones with fancy lids are Q15. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has 3 vessels and the lids seem to match the nymphs lids fairly well. If we just say "heart>clover>ball".
Yes, that's interesting and suggests that many of the other theories are becoming less likely and that perhaps the containers/vessels need to be classified differently after all. -
RE: The containers in the Pharma section
Bluetoes101 > 3 hours ago
Another good comparison for apothecary jars (of the more simple ones)
"Miniature (no. 37.181) from 15th century manuscript in Dresden: Galen, and assistant with a pestle and mortar, and a scribe in an apothecary's shop"