12-02-2016, 06:29 PM
Somewhere else in this forum I suggested that the 'simple' containers in the pharma section (3 bifolios in quires 15 and 19) look as if they could be made of wood. This could also be true for the more elaborate ones, but let's look at the simpler ones first.
These are found on the two bifolios of quire 19, up to and including f102 recto. On f102 verso the more elaborate containers start, which are then continued on the earlier bifolio in quire 15.
They look like 'open' containers that could also have a lid, and only one of them seems to have a lid, though this is far from certain from the drawings.
Typical "open" container on f99r:
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Perhaps only closed one on f100r:
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The following page (in German, with pictures) gives some real examples from our time frame of interest:
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This page tries to sell medieval-like containers and the point is that the modern 'replicas' (shown in the upper left corner) are accurate, as based on old receords and old finds. The picture in the right margin shows original examples found in East Germany.
Some of the text on the page is of interest. It says (among others):
Wooden boxes, at home and in the kitchen (11th - 15th Century).
Wooden objects found many different applications in the middle ages, and were manufactured in several different ways. (I would like to highlight: by turning).
Their shapes remained largely unchanged over several centuries.
Examples.
The larger container was based on finds in Brandenburg (i.e. East Germany) around the 10th-11th Century. Illustrations and finds of containers created and decorated in similar ways may be found up into the 15th Century.
The smaller containers were based on finds in the Augustine monastery of Contance. Also these are attested in similar forms until after 1500.
Often, these containers are shown (drawn) in connection with pharmacies, ointment containers of Saints, or for conservation of herbs and spices.
(end of summarised translation).
The bit I don't understand is about the ointment of/for Saints....
There are some sources listed under 'Quellen' which seem to be manuscripts with relevant illustrations. I have not seen any of them.
They should be of interest.
These are found on the two bifolios of quire 19, up to and including f102 recto. On f102 verso the more elaborate containers start, which are then continued on the earlier bifolio in quire 15.
They look like 'open' containers that could also have a lid, and only one of them seems to have a lid, though this is far from certain from the drawings.
Typical "open" container on f99r:
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Perhaps only closed one on f100r:
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The following page (in German, with pictures) gives some real examples from our time frame of interest:
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This page tries to sell medieval-like containers and the point is that the modern 'replicas' (shown in the upper left corner) are accurate, as based on old receords and old finds. The picture in the right margin shows original examples found in East Germany.
Some of the text on the page is of interest. It says (among others):
Wooden boxes, at home and in the kitchen (11th - 15th Century).
Wooden objects found many different applications in the middle ages, and were manufactured in several different ways. (I would like to highlight: by turning).
Their shapes remained largely unchanged over several centuries.
Examples.
The larger container was based on finds in Brandenburg (i.e. East Germany) around the 10th-11th Century. Illustrations and finds of containers created and decorated in similar ways may be found up into the 15th Century.
The smaller containers were based on finds in the Augustine monastery of Contance. Also these are attested in similar forms until after 1500.
Often, these containers are shown (drawn) in connection with pharmacies, ointment containers of Saints, or for conservation of herbs and spices.
(end of summarised translation).
The bit I don't understand is about the ointment of/for Saints....
There are some sources listed under 'Quellen' which seem to be manuscripts with relevant illustrations. I have not seen any of them.
They should be of interest.