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  Ruby Novacna > 25-05-2026, 09:24 AM

  Word EVA ralal/salal
  One of the nymphs of the inner ring of the Gemini page is labeled ralal in ZL and salal by Takahashi (<f72r2.24,&Lz> <!11:30>.
  
  
  I I also think it’s rather salal.
  The word salal is also found on pages 58v and 67v2.
  
  
  This word can be σάλαι, plural of σάλη - agitation; =φροντίς – thought, care, attention; reflection, meditation; care, anxiety; =βλάβη – harm, damage.

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  Ruby Novacna > 28-05-2026, 11:14 AM

  Word EVA olkory
  The word olkory is found on the first line of page 79v.
  
  
  The horizontal bar of the k glyph is very high and I hesitate between reading it as n or m. Thus the word contains several possible sources of variation, ol(oi,a)n(m)o(w)r9 :

  • οἰνωρος = ἱεραγωγός Διονύσου (οἰνωροί = οἱ ἱεραγωγοὶ Διονύσου) – carrier of offerings to Dionysus;
    
  • ἄνωρος for ἄωρος – untimely, unseasonable; unripe, of fruit; without youthful freshness, ugly;
    
  • anorum (Lat), gen pl of anus – ring, circle, link, circular form; anus; fundament; piles, haemorrhoids;
    
  • ἀμόρας, gen of ἀμόρα – honey cake;
    
  • ἄμορος = ἄμοιρος – without lot or share in thing, bereft of some good; portionless; exempt from fate; rarely, freed from some evil; abs., unlucky, wretched;
    
  • ἄμμορος, without share of, without lot in; later, simply, free from, without; abs., ill-fated;
    
  • ἄμωρος – kind of cake;
    
  • amorum (Lat), gen pl of amor – love, affection, intense desire, object of love.
    

  Given that the images of 79v are rather anatomical, in my opinion, which reading of olkory is the most appropriate?

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  Ruby Novacna > 01-06-2026, 11:08 AM

  Nymph with a cross
  I consider that the side image on page 79v is anatomical in nature and presents, among other things, the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: the pylorus, the anus and the male urinary sphincter.
  
  The nymph holding a ring (anus in Latin) is lying on what could be the sigmoid colon, the rectum, and the anus, the clearly drawn circular muscle.
  
  If the nymph with a ring is an anatomical term, then the nymph with a cross must be as well, and I’m finally beginning to understand its meaning.
  Searcher’s suggestion that the cross represents the cross staff used by navigators and astronomers left me perplexed, as I couldn’t connect it to anatomy.
  In truth, the relationship is simple: our nymph, using the cross staff, watches, observes (ὁράω), she plays the role of observer, watcher, guardian, in short, of the gatekeeper, πυλωρός.
  Now, the term πυλωρός, pylorus in Latin, is precisely used in anatomy to designate another circular muscle, the pylorus.

• RE: Ruby's Greek Thread

  JoJo_Jost > 02-06-2026, 05:56 AM

  @ Rubin Novacna
  
  I see you've translated a lot of words, but have you found any complete sentences or paragraphs yet?

• RE: Ruby's Greek Thread

  Ruby Novacna > 02-06-2026, 11:48 AM

  (02-06-2026, 05:56 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@ Rubin Novacna
  
  I see you've translated a lot of words, but have you found any complete sentences or paragraphs yet?

  
  Not yet, otherwise you would already know.

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  Ruby Novacna > 04-06-2026, 08:44 AM

  Word EVA okokeedy
  The word okokeedy on page 105v, transcribed by Takahashi as otokeedy, could be read in Greek, in my opinion, as ἀνόνητος – unprofitable; vain, useless.
  
  
  However, these could be the names of plants:

  • ὀνωνιδος, gen of ὀνωνίς - rest-harrow, Ononis antiquorum;
    
  • ἀνωνίδος, gen of ἀνωνίς = ὄνωνις;
    
  • ὀνωνῖτις (byz) - Onosma echinoides.
    

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  Ruby Novacna > 08-06-2026, 08:41 AM

  Words EVA keeod-
  There are 15 occurrences of words beginning with keeod- in the text: keeod (2), keeodaiin (1), keeodal (2), keeodar (1), keeodol (1), keeody (7)/ keeod,y (1).
  I have no idea about the word keeod at the moment, but the other five represent the same inflected term.
  The term in question is the word keeody, which can be read in Greek as νείᾰτος or νήατος, two forms of νέατος, η, ον – uttermost, lowest, extreme, outermost, latest, last.
  The other four words would be:

  • keeodal – νείᾰται/ νήαται/ νέαται, the feminine plural;
    
  • keeodol – νείᾰτοι/ νήατοι/ νέατοι, the masculine plural;
    
  • keeodar – νείᾰτας/ νήατας/ νέατας, feminine singular genitive or accusative plural;
    
  • keeodaiin – νειάτων/ νήατων/ νέατων, genitive plural.
    

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  Ruby Novacna > 11-06-2026, 08:48 AM

  Word EVA loldy,tal
  The word EVA loldy,tal on 80v.16, transcribed by Takahashi as two words, loldy.tal, may be λαθήβαι, plural of λαθήβης – one who no longer remembers the time of their youth, extremely old.
  The word comes from λάθα, Doric for λήθη – forgetting, forgetfulness, and from ἥβα, Doric for ἥβη – youth, and appears in Hesychius’s Lexicon.
  
  
  This word is important to me because it contains three L glyphs, which I read in three different ways.
  Unfortunately, I have no clues at the moment about the text or images on this page to confirm or refute the accuracy of this reading..

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  Ruby Novacna > 15-06-2026, 08:40 AM

  Word EVA sheepshey
  The word sheepshey on 79v.36 is unique.
  ).
  Reading psh as psi, this word could be:

  • σκήψεις or σκῆψεως, plural or genitive singular of σκῆψις – pretext, plea, excuse;
    
  • or Σκηψιος – from the city Skepsis (Scepsis).
    

  At the same time, σκῆψις could be a synonym of ἀπόσκηψις – determination of humors to one part of the body (Hippocrates).
  Galen explains ἀπόσκηψις by ἀπό-σχᾰσις, although LSJ considers such an explanation unjustified.
  I know ancient Greek much less well than Galen, so I’ll accept his explanation for the moment: « ἀποσκήψεις: τὰς ἀποσχάσεις ἐν τῷ πρώτῳ περὶ νούσων τῷ μείζονι.” (GALENUS Linguarum seu dictionum exoletarum Hippocratis explicatio. {0057.106}).
  
  The meaning of ἀπό-σχᾰσις is incision, opening (of a vein), (but possibly scarification); releasing, letting go (in an engine).
  
  For a page with anatomical images, which term would be most appropriate: pretext, concentration of humors, or incision?

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  Ruby Novacna > 18-06-2026, 08:29 AM

  Words EVA lched-
  In the text of our manuscript there are 8 words beginning with lched- with 118 occurrences in total:
  

  1. lched 6,
     
  2. lchedal 1,
     
  3. lchedam 2,
     
  4. lchedar 2,
     
  5. lchedo 1,
     
  6. lchedr 1,
     
  7. lchedy 104,
     
  8. lchedykedy 1.
     

  At the moment I have no idea for the words lched and lchedr, but I have suggestions for the others six.
  
  The words lchedal and lchedar could be the inflected forms of lchedy:

  • lchedy (lki89) – ἱκέτης – one who comes to seek aid or protection, suppliant; of pilgrims to a healing shrine; ἱκέτις, feminine of ἱκέτης;
    
  • lchedal (iki8ai) – ἱκέται, plural of ἱκέτης or Dorian dative;
    
  • lchedar (iki8ar) – ἱκέτας, accusative plural of ἱκέτης or Dorian nominative.
    

  However, Ἱκέτας can be a proper name, such as Hiketas (of Syracuse), an ancient Greek Pythagorean philosopher and astronomer who, according to Cicero, citing Theophrastus, explained the apparent movements of the starry sky by an axial rotation of the Earth.
  
  Similarly, Ἱκέται (ἱκεταῖοί, ἠϊκέται, Lat. hicetae, ecetae) may be the name of a Christian sect mentioned by Saint John Damascene in his work Περὶ αἱρέσεων (De haeresibus, The Book of Heresies).
  
  The word lchedam (iki8ar..) could be ἱκετηρίς, ἱκετήριος, ἱκετηρία or ἱκετήσιος, for example:

  • ἱκετηρίς, feminine form of ἱκετήριος,
    
  • ἱκετήριος – of or fit for suppliants,
    
  • ἱκετηρία – olive-branch which the suppliant held in his hand as a symbol of his condition; prayer, supplication,
    
  • ἱκετήσιος, synonym of ἱκέσιος – of or for suppliants, epithete of Zeus, their protector; as a noun, supplicant.
    

  The word lchedykedy (iki89ni89) could be Ἱκεταονίδης, that is, the son of Hikétaôn (Ἱκετάων), Melanippos, a character in the Iliad. Or we should read lchedykedy separately: lchedy + kedy.
  
  The word lchedo can be ἵκετο, synonym according to Hesychius of παρεγένετο, 3rd sg aor ind mid of παραγίγνομαι – to be beside, by or near; of things, to be at hand, increased to one; come to; come to maturity, of corn; have resorted to.
  
  I think « pilgrims to a healing shrine » fits the images well.
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