(24-08-2026, 06:54 PM)ololololo wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(24-08-2026, 06:19 PM)Linda wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not believe that medieval minds would look at the rosettes and see what you described, without first a like minded person of the time to tell your story to them first.For Baresh, Marzi, and the author of the names of the months in the Zodiac, it was already incomprehensible.
We can't claim that it was understandable to anyone except the author themselves.
It’s possible that the author could have been an excellent storyteller, but still, there’s a question I asked Antonio — and it remained unanswered: how can I figure this out on my own during an independent investigation? Let’s say I see pipes. Let’s say I think something is pouring out of them. Let’s say I think this something is spilling onto the surrounding spheres. But how am I supposed to arrive at the idea of astral influence?
I think you are saying there is no way to do so, re the bolded part. That's what i mean, too, i would not have seen it his way without Antonio unfolding that world. But to say that it equates with the thinking at the time, and to apply that equally to all the parts, I can't do that math.
I think i can see what he is going for when he outlines it, but I can't agree that this is definitely what the author(s) meant to convey, or that it is what anyone else would obviously see in it, it is all too ambiguous to be clear, and has to fit the constraint put upon itself that the entire manuscript is all about one subject, although I can see how he can say that, too.
Also, some of my own theories require prior familiarity with certain things for some of the imagery to work as mnemonics, so I can see this being the same for this one, and what I think I see of what Antonio is saying that I think I understand, I might not have right at all.
I agree that the nymphs in the zodiac and in quire 13 are the same, they stand for the same things, in some way, whether it be space, time, or just decoration. I see commonality with quires 13 and 14 too.
By the way, quire 13 is my favorite way to describe that section, it bypasses those other conventions and saves me from putting any unwanted spin on the naming of it. Quire 20 is also shorter than "starred paragraphs", and there are also others of those elsewhere. I say Zodiac because it is considered 2 quires. I say Rosettes because they aren't necessarily what I mean when I say quire 14, but I think that is related too.

