16-08-2026, 12:58 PM
Antonio, it’s better to put aside such arrogance about your own omniscience; you don’t fully understand what Stolfi is telling you.
I agree with Stolfi in the sense that he accurately describes what we see in the illustration. Indeed, these are two connected bodies of water, and indeed, we see water in them. It’s somewhat similar to Balneis Puteolanum.
But that doesn’t mean anything. We don’t know what these illustrations signify. We don’t know what the author wanted to say. We don’t know what each detail individually means.
But I won’t speak for Stolfi; I’ll just ask the same question: how did you understand what these drawings mean? Will I be able to see these details myself during independent study? How subjective are your conclusions? Can you find examples of similar illustrations in other manuscripts (of course, Radimir’s examples are good in their own way, but they depict only women. They don’t depict the pimply lids)?
And how complete are your conclusions? I mean, are they absolutely logical and compatible with all the details of the VMS illustrations, or only with certain ones?
At the moment, it seems to me that it’s the latter, because even if we remember the Rosettes...
In Rosette 1 and 2, I see wolkensband along the edges (sorry if I’m calling it that incorrectly).
Rosettes 3–6 can at least somewhat be attributed to the cosmic theme. But I don’t see any particularly special astronomical motifs in them.
Rosetta 7–8 is very difficult to associate with an astronomical theme.
9-13 are the most ordinary geographical features. 9 and 10 are squares, 11 is a rock/cliff, 12 is a bridge or a cliff (you can see the shore and something that looks like waves at the bottom), 13 is a bridge (you can also see something that looks like waves at the bottom).
I hope you’ll explain to me what’s so cosmic about this…
I respect your work and everything you’ve done, and I’m in no way denying your experience in working with medieval manuscripts (and you do have it). I’m just making sure you don’t forget that openness to criticism is always important...
I agree with Stolfi in the sense that he accurately describes what we see in the illustration. Indeed, these are two connected bodies of water, and indeed, we see water in them. It’s somewhat similar to Balneis Puteolanum.
But that doesn’t mean anything. We don’t know what these illustrations signify. We don’t know what the author wanted to say. We don’t know what each detail individually means.
But I won’t speak for Stolfi; I’ll just ask the same question: how did you understand what these drawings mean? Will I be able to see these details myself during independent study? How subjective are your conclusions? Can you find examples of similar illustrations in other manuscripts (of course, Radimir’s examples are good in their own way, but they depict only women. They don’t depict the pimply lids)?
And how complete are your conclusions? I mean, are they absolutely logical and compatible with all the details of the VMS illustrations, or only with certain ones?
At the moment, it seems to me that it’s the latter, because even if we remember the Rosettes...
In Rosette 1 and 2, I see wolkensband along the edges (sorry if I’m calling it that incorrectly).
Rosettes 3–6 can at least somewhat be attributed to the cosmic theme. But I don’t see any particularly special astronomical motifs in them.
Rosetta 7–8 is very difficult to associate with an astronomical theme.
9-13 are the most ordinary geographical features. 9 and 10 are squares, 11 is a rock/cliff, 12 is a bridge or a cliff (you can see the shore and something that looks like waves at the bottom), 13 is a bridge (you can also see something that looks like waves at the bottom).
I hope you’ll explain to me what’s so cosmic about this…
I respect your work and everything you’ve done, and I’m in no way denying your experience in working with medieval manuscripts (and you do have it). I’m just making sure you don’t forget that openness to criticism is always important...


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