10-08-2026, 03:06 PM
(10-08-2026, 02:42 PM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We already went through this.Yes, I know, Stolfi.
But now I’m not imposing my point of view; I proposed this particular interpretation to Antonio so that he could analyze it and tell me why it couldn’t be a celestial sphere.
(10-08-2026, 02:42 PM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I did not see any version of Oresme's diagram with anything like these spirals.I don’t really like this approach — “it’s somewhat similar to an Orem map,” but the diagram in VMS and the Orem map are similar ONLY IN FORM.
Of course, the situation is similar to my anatomical interpretation of balneology, but there I’m not trying to force a square peg into a round hole. I’m not trying to fit absolutely EVERYTHING into this explanation. I’m saying that in some places I don’t understand, and in some places it’s ambiguous.
You apparently really want to believe that the VMS depicts the Orem map.
(10-08-2026, 02:42 PM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Comparing this illustration with the Oresme diagram above we can see that the squiggly border of the starry area is a mangled reproduction of a cloudband that separated the Earth (the "inverted T-O map") and the heavenly bodies from the Biblical "waters above" -- the vast ocean that lies beyond theFind at least an image of water within this T‑O map on the VMS diagram.
sky, whose drips are the rain, and, when God "opened the gates", came down as the Flood.
(10-08-2026, 02:42 PM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the most banal explanation is that the fold-out is a map of an imaginary place. Like the maps that I liked to draw when I was a kid...The most banal and provable one was meant.

