(07-06-2026, 08:15 AM)anyasophira wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am trying to understand how This works. Please walk me through this - you state that we expect this in natural language. Why? When and where is it demonstrated in language and when and where is it not demonstrated in other examples.
Also Are you saying that chol means the sound ze?
Yes, it’s confusing yet simple—you just have to think outside the box. I’ll try to describe it as clearly as possible:
In most of the natural languages, vowels (V) and consonants (C ) follow each other in a very strict sequence.
V = a,o,e,i and diphthongs: ei, au, eu, ou (in German)
C = Consonants an C cluster (e.g. "th" in englich)
You can see the pattern in it, roughly: CVCVCVCVC = CVC and, when words end with C and one begins with C also CCVC or maybe CVVC.
I noticed that word boundaries in VMS could be a break in a vowel bigram. "y.qo" (the dot is a space) would then be a bigram for “e” opch(y.qo)kedy the vowel ist in the middle.
But that means the actual word boundary would have to occur somewhere in qokeedy and qokedy
Many tokens in the VMS have a 4-slot structure. We use qokeedy: If we apply this to it, the first slot would be the right part of this vowel bigram VR = qo. Then comes the consonant that ends the word, C1 here "k". That’s where the space would have to go. And the consonant that begins the next word, C2 here "eed", followed by the left part of the next vowel bigram, VL = y
This results in the following structure for the token qokedy:
qo k ed y
VR C1 (Space) C2 VL = VCCV
With the right word boundaries (VV=V):
CVC CVC
qokeedy.opchy.qokedy.dypchy with the "correct" word boundaries:
VCCV would be the basic structure of the VMS. Of course, language doesn’t flow that smoothly; for one thing, not all words have only a CVC structure—they are often longer. But for Bavarian, this word length is actually quite typical. There are many simple, short words with this CVC structure—the language is almost monosyllabic. Of course, there are also words that start with vowels, and some end with a vowel. When words are longer, there is often not a pair of consonants in the middle, but just one. So the flow isn’t exactly VCCV.
That is why there are two- and three-glyph words to account for this inconsistency, as well as longer words that can also accommodate it.
No, “Chol” isn't “ze”— the “o” in “Chol” is the “z” (s/zz/ss)
In “chol.chol” the “l.ch” is the “e” and ‘o’ are the “z,” = ez
@ oshfdk
Yes, that’s on the agenda anyway: I prefer it....


