Why and how the text could be Bavarian
(29-03-2026, 09:54 PM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[..]
I think we’ve discussed the double consonants more than enough by now. It’s getting boring. That’s not even remotely an argument against the cipher; there are much better ones that I’d actually agree with as criticism - believe me.

But after several hundred years of trying to crack it, you have to realize that you need to think outside the box...
@JoJo_Jost
You can also start now to think about doubled vowels and the German tendency to combine words to much longer ones, and which German words end up to 40% in the same "cipher" letter; 
Voynichese structure does not comply very well to our language at all corners.

I forget to mention for the non-german speakers here: "Luft" and "Meisterschaft" are pronounced with short "u" and short "a" even after standardization of 19th century. Those standards saved a lot of letters, but did not produce constant clear rules, like in this case. Speakers have to learn and mention such exceptions.

"Schafen" is not the same as "Schaffen", "die Schaffe"(outfashioned word today) is competely different from "die Schafe" and "Schaft"(short "a"!) is not at all "Schafft". And Meisterschaft is not necessarily the same as Meister-Schaft...
You can't put even those few examples in "phonetic" "cipher" without destroying the core information and will never be able to recover that, so you open a backdoor already:
that cipher must have many faults (even though it was written down flawlessly by several scribes). Nice trick.

@both
The "Magic cipher" (and it's preassumed defects to "explain" later the twists and turns any interpretations will need) or stenography, even Shavian, have just a small problem:
Shavian needs at least 48 characters only to show English, the standard steno for German is about 100.
VMS has, with much good will, not more than ~30 characters. Others see even significantly lower numbers.
How will a "cipher" or shorthand work?
And if: it would be easily possible to crack that with todays computers in no time. But nobody made it yet.

When extending just the double-consonant problem to Latin, you may think a moment about "curat" and "currat" (just the smallest, first example to get in mind) -- double consonants are vital for Latin and it's follow-up languages as well, nothing that came as a kind of luxury just some time ago.


@JoJo_Jost
The strong belief into a credo "it must be Latin!", "it must be (Swiss)German!" combined with a craving for The-Magic-Cipher (that can hold it all within less than 3 dozens of characters) is the tar pit.
You stand in it already. Will be more than boring there.
If you really want to "think out of the box", leave the Alps -- and Italy and Western Europe.
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RE: Why and how the text could be Bavarian - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 30-03-2026, 02:51 PM

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