14-03-2026, 08:07 AM
So, after two weeks’ holiday spent searching for sunshine – which meant there was plenty of sun here in Germany, whereas where I went, Portugal, there was no sun, just rain... 
well, let’s get back to the Bavarian idea.
I have tried to translate a sentence; to do so, I’ve chosen one that already contains many of the possible translations of the words I’ve found in other context. I would like to point out that this is, of course, still much Eisegesis at the moment. But it is also intended to check whether one can actually form reasonably meaningful sentences from the cipher presented here and the VMS.
Please bear with me, as it is, of course, still very rough. The actual work of identifying more and more words that gradually make sense in various sentences will take years. But I’ll simply write my progress – and also my setbacks – here; as I’ve already said, this thread is a work in progress...
Possible translations using my cipher that I have come across in other contexts so far
sar=sauer (sour)
or/ar = er (he / one)
aiin=ein (a)
shol=soll
okain=der Wein(o=articel the vine)
dal=sal(be) (salve)
dy=sy / sein (be)
EVA You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 9: sar or aiin chor or shkair shol or chckhy ar aiin okain dal dy
new found possible words:
shkair=swair/ schwer (dickflüssig) (heavy/strong,(thick))
chckhy=mege = menge (mix/stir) (ckh= g / ng)
chor=mor / mache (make)
Bavarian: sar er ein mor er schwer soll er menge er ein den Wein sal sy
sauer er ein / mache er schwer / soll er menge er ein den Wein / salbe sy
It ist difficult, to translate the dialect in english.... I try it:
"Sour it in [pickle/steep it], make it thick, one shall mix in the wine — salve it be [a salve results]."
"The impersonal er (he = 'one') is characteristic of medieval Bavarian recipe language, equivalent to modern German man. The verb-subject inversion (mache er, soll er, menge er) is standard MHD word order for instructions.
What’s interesting here is that this is quite clearly a recipe section. And I haven’t changed a single thing about it; the sentence was suggested to me by Claude (not translated by claude!!!). Claude simply helped me find a sentence in which the words mentioned above appear frequently - here were no further instructions, and of course Claude didn’t know either that it was supposed to be a recipe! In that sense, it’s a bit of a coincidence… which is quite intriguing.
But I realise that this is just a starting point, a beginning – nothing more. We’ll just see how things develop...
The search continues...
well, let’s get back to the Bavarian idea. I have tried to translate a sentence; to do so, I’ve chosen one that already contains many of the possible translations of the words I’ve found in other context. I would like to point out that this is, of course, still much Eisegesis at the moment. But it is also intended to check whether one can actually form reasonably meaningful sentences from the cipher presented here and the VMS.
Please bear with me, as it is, of course, still very rough. The actual work of identifying more and more words that gradually make sense in various sentences will take years. But I’ll simply write my progress – and also my setbacks – here; as I’ve already said, this thread is a work in progress...
Possible translations using my cipher that I have come across in other contexts so far
sar=sauer (sour)
or/ar = er (he / one)
aiin=ein (a)
shol=soll
okain=der Wein(o=articel the vine)
dal=sal(be) (salve)
dy=sy / sein (be)
EVA You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 9: sar or aiin chor or shkair shol or chckhy ar aiin okain dal dy
new found possible words:
shkair=swair/ schwer (dickflüssig) (heavy/strong,(thick))
chckhy=mege = menge (mix/stir) (ckh= g / ng)
chor=mor / mache (make)
Bavarian: sar er ein mor er schwer soll er menge er ein den Wein sal sy
sauer er ein / mache er schwer / soll er menge er ein den Wein / salbe sy
It ist difficult, to translate the dialect in english.... I try it:
"Sour it in [pickle/steep it], make it thick, one shall mix in the wine — salve it be [a salve results]."
"The impersonal er (he = 'one') is characteristic of medieval Bavarian recipe language, equivalent to modern German man. The verb-subject inversion (mache er, soll er, menge er) is standard MHD word order for instructions.
What’s interesting here is that this is quite clearly a recipe section. And I haven’t changed a single thing about it; the sentence was suggested to me by Claude (not translated by claude!!!). Claude simply helped me find a sentence in which the words mentioned above appear frequently - here were no further instructions, and of course Claude didn’t know either that it was supposed to be a recipe! In that sense, it’s a bit of a coincidence… which is quite intriguing.
But I realise that this is just a starting point, a beginning – nothing more. We’ll just see how things develop...
The search continues...