(31-01-2026, 02:04 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Problem is, that there is no „standard“ speaking or writing of „Bavarian“ as well as for any other dialects or German at all. Standardization of spelling and grammar came centuries later - shifts of b<—>p or vowels were quite common throughout all scripts and regions.
So this writing-as-hearing approach here can be all or nothing (again).
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You're right, but as Stolfi says below, I wasn't so much trying to say, ‘That's Bavarian!’ My thesis here is different: Bavarian could explain some of the oddities in the statistical analysis of the Voynich manuscript – and that alone would be crazy enough, because it hasn't been seen that way before. European languages were completely ruled out.
Regarding the double letters: I don't think that will be a problem. If it's a cipher that leans towards Bairish substitution, a lot of information has to be destroyed anyway. Duplications would be the lesser evil.
@ Rafael No, I don't have a solution, otherwise I would have written it. As already written here, I even suspect that it could be incredibly difficult to decipher VMS, precisely because of the many possibilities and variants of Bavarian, including, among many others, those pointed out by Stefan here. And yes, sorry, I also think that as an ‘individual’ I would be completely overwhelmed by this.
Part 2, if I ever finish it, is already complicated enough. That's step 2. With it, I want to clarify the question of whether a cipher from that time could represent a VMS-like structure from a Bavarian text. So something like a Naibbe cipher, only simpler and more obvious.
If I succeed even halfway, that would be another interesting indication that it could be Bavarian.
A solution would only be expected in step 4 or 5... And for that, you would certainly need powerful computer programmes. Why? Quite simply, if you have a word like High German ‘falten’ (f116) = English: ‘folding’ and that could possibly be written in Bavarian as follows:
faltzen, falzen, pfalzen, Pflazen, Pfaltzen, baltzen, balzen, falatzen, faltzn, falzn, pfalzn, Pflazn, Pfaltzn, baltzn, balzn, falatzen, then it all with ‘o’ as an ‘a’ or even sounds similar to au / ou. etc, etc, etc.
Then it becomes a puzzle in which you first have to figure out which basic forms of the bavarian language were used. There are so many possibilities that no human being will be able to solve it. Probably only advanced computer programmes could do that.
With the simple cipher I am developing, this is easy to see when you try to translate it back. Due to the significant loss of information, you have to know quite precisely which language variant is being spoken – otherwise you cannot compensate for the loss of information.
(31-01-2026, 04:19 PM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(31-01-2026, 02:56 PM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now, with Bavarian, you may be able to get past that argument
With anagrams maybe.
Can you elaborate on that? Perhaps that will help me.


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