15-11-2025, 11:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-11-2025, 11:42 PM by Doireannjane.)
(15-11-2025, 11:29 PM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-11-2025, 10:44 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You misunderstood my question. I'm saying if there was no modern communication at all.
Then your question about "a piece of paper" is irrelevant. Voynich Manuscript is not "a piece of paper", it's a 240 pages long document. If a 240 pages long document of modern communication was discovered, I'm sure most abbreviations would be easy to identify unambiguously from the context.
(15-11-2025, 10:44 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Better example: Imagine there is a dialect and language that is entirely spoken, has it's own rules and phonetic spelling, one single document of it written exists and it sits amongst hundreds of academic papers in the same root language. (And that is all that exists, no other context) Would everything in that one single document be clear? Would it be hundreds of years later? Would it be hundreds of years later after a halt in natural language evolution? How do pauses or halts in language development skew a translator's or linguist's perspective?
"Almiȝti god / yaf ten hestes / ine þe laȝe of iewes / þet Moyses onderuing / ine þe helle of Synay / ine tuo tables of ston / þet were i-write / mid godes vingre . and him-zelf / efter his beringe / ine his spelle / het hise healde / and loki / to ech man / þet wile by y-borȝe . and huo þet agelt / ine enie of þe ilke hestes: him ssel þerof uor-þenche / and him ssriue / and bidde god merci / yef he wyle by yborȝe."
This is a custom phonetic spelling document in Kentish dialect of the XIV century, called Ayenbite of Inwyt, quite well known I guess because of its being mentioned in the first chapter of Ulysses. Now, I'd say my English is roughly C1 level, far from native. Not only I can easily recognize what this text is about I can recognize a large percentage of words, they form quite a few meaningful sentences, there are very clearly identifiable grammar words, personal names, etc. If your interpretation produced anything like this in Irish, I have no doubts modern Irish speakers, especially versed in Medieval Irish, would be able to identify and comprehend a large portion of the text just as easily. As far as I understand from this thread, nothing like this happened. But you claim that you can see the truth and everybody else just doesn't get it. How likely is that?
How likely is it that I single handedly, without the help of any kind of AI, no advisor, no university, no funding, no help, not even a college degree, just a few years of studying translation in college and a year working on this that I found the taxonomy of most of the plants and roots by name? This seems particularly improbable from an academic's lens, I imagine. But that's the truth, everything is documented. I don't know what to tell you. The sentences aren't perfectly aligned with english and punctuation has to be inferred, but my lexicon is on point. It's statistically improbable that it isn't.
Please refer to the images I've posted here, the plants, the labels, everything. That is not even 10% of what I have.
