Voynich through Phonetic Irish
(14-11-2025, 04:46 PM)rikforto wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(14-11-2025, 04:18 PM)Doireannjane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(14-11-2025, 04:02 PM)rikforto wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was thinking about po as tea, and whatever reservations I have about how you arrive at that phonetic reading, there's also an etymological problem. Now, I don't have a dated etymology for Irish, though I do have it on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as coming from Amoy Chinese. I cannot imagine that arrived in Ireland well ahead of the English one from the same route. In that vein do have a date for its arrival in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., sometime in the mid-1600s, though if gotten directly from the Dutch you can push that back to 1610.

So I guess my question is: Can you account for this? Does your theory have a date for the manuscript? A period of Irish we should be looking at?

I can't account for that. I didn't look at the history there. The only other near equivalent for that sound for Tae= TAh, would be the word for resin which dates back much further for the area. This word also could fit with the context of both. 

Tá a form of:
bí1, f. (gs. ~). Pitch, resin. S.a. OLA1.

You've protested this characterization, but I am going to point out that when confronted with an etymological problem, you went back to the dictionary and offered a different choice for how to read the Voynichese. It would seem like a system based on wholly deterministic principles of phonology would not allow for this---either by avoiding the anachronism in the first place or needing revision if one were found!

Unless you have an answer to this that seriously grapples with the way you're, yes, cherry-picking from the dictionary, that's probably the end f me trying to understand your system writ-large. I'm too much of a poster to promise I won't jump back in if some detail strikes my fancy, but I don't think you fully appreciate how you're producing these translations, and until you can describe how you produced them in detail, I don't think they can be reproduced. The fact that the understanding of the text so readily shifts is proof enough of your method's arbitrariness, at least as you're presently describing it.

No. Nothing about that is cherry picking. The words sound similar and are each spelled a variant. I typed in Teannglann TA. There is Tae and there is Tá. Listen to the dialects. There is absolutely not one single thing that is cherry picking about what I am doing.


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Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Doireannjane - 07-11-2025, 04:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 05:48 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 07-11-2025, 05:52 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 06:54 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Mauro - 07-11-2025, 08:38 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Mauro - 07-11-2025, 09:35 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 07-11-2025, 10:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 08-11-2025, 12:20 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 09-11-2025, 02:27 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Rafal - 07-11-2025, 11:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 08-11-2025, 12:29 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 12:30 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 06:49 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 08:01 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 09-11-2025, 07:31 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 09-11-2025, 08:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by JoJo_Jost - 09-11-2025, 05:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by tavie - 09-11-2025, 08:01 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 09-11-2025, 09:45 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 10-11-2025, 02:46 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 09-11-2025, 09:47 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 10-11-2025, 10:12 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 10-11-2025, 01:58 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 12:04 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Rafal - 10-11-2025, 01:29 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 02:35 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 03:32 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 10-11-2025, 04:04 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 10-11-2025, 05:16 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 05:02 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 05:41 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 10-11-2025, 07:42 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 10-11-2025, 11:27 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 07:47 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 10-11-2025, 11:36 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 11-11-2025, 02:33 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 12-11-2025, 05:36 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 11-11-2025, 11:04 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 11-11-2025, 12:05 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 11-11-2025, 01:25 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 11-11-2025, 03:00 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 11-11-2025, 06:36 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 12-11-2025, 07:25 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 13-11-2025, 09:04 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 07:45 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 11-11-2025, 08:04 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 11-11-2025, 09:12 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 12-11-2025, 03:25 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 12-11-2025, 01:11 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 12-11-2025, 04:23 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 12-11-2025, 07:23 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 01:14 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 13-11-2025, 09:33 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 13-11-2025, 09:51 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 13-11-2025, 10:44 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 13-11-2025, 11:11 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 11:10 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 13-11-2025, 11:41 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Mauro - 13-11-2025, 10:37 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by bi3mw - 13-11-2025, 11:24 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 12:03 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 12:24 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 14-11-2025, 08:40 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 14-11-2025, 02:35 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 13-11-2025, 11:57 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 01:10 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 01:52 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 14-11-2025, 09:45 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 14-11-2025, 02:44 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 03:37 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 04:02 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 04:46 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Doireannjane - 14-11-2025, 04:54 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 04:59 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 14-11-2025, 05:23 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 14-11-2025, 05:53 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 14-11-2025, 05:55 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 09:57 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 02:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 14-11-2025, 10:30 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 14-11-2025, 11:18 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by ReneZ - 15-11-2025, 10:15 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 15-11-2025, 11:17 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 15-11-2025, 12:37 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 03:16 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 03:37 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 15-11-2025, 04:52 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 15-11-2025, 06:25 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 03:19 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 04:00 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 04:35 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 15-11-2025, 06:38 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 08:33 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 15-11-2025, 11:56 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 16-11-2025, 12:31 AM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 16-11-2025, 02:21 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 16-11-2025, 06:26 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 16-11-2025, 02:58 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 16-11-2025, 03:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 16-11-2025, 05:53 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 16-11-2025, 06:09 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 16-11-2025, 06:26 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 15-11-2025, 11:51 PM
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RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 16-11-2025, 12:15 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 16-11-2025, 12:26 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 16-11-2025, 08:48 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 16-11-2025, 03:42 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 16-11-2025, 07:15 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 17-11-2025, 01:52 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by tavie - 16-11-2025, 07:31 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by joben - 17-11-2025, 09:54 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Rafal - 17-11-2025, 12:42 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 17-11-2025, 01:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by oshfdk - 17-11-2025, 01:44 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by igajkgko - 17-11-2025, 05:14 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 17-11-2025, 05:43 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by nablator - 17-11-2025, 06:08 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 17-11-2025, 06:24 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Rafal - 17-11-2025, 06:09 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Kaybo - 18-11-2025, 01:07 AM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 18-11-2025, 12:24 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by rikforto - 18-11-2025, 05:13 PM
RE: Voynich through Phonetic Irish - by Koen G - 18-11-2025, 07:01 PM

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